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Floydian5744614dDo you still have access to your production code/database of current and previous project?
terraria99116913dAll ways have a contract
schug18013dIf you have the money or an legal expenses insurance I would contact a lawyer. At least to discuss this case with someone who knows the laws in your country. If the lawyer thinks you can win in court I would sue this guys. At least in Germany the term verbal contract exist and you can refer to such a contract in court.
sbiewald89113dAs you still have the source code, it might be enough to proof you have done something for your client. As people don't work for free, you might have a better position to claim money.
Verbal contracts are legally binding but not easy to enforce.
jonii310813dImho dirty people call for dirty methods, a legal case will take ages, if it will even have any success.
Where I live we have these specialized collection agencies that you can hire to collect your money if a customer doesn't pay. You are already on wrong foot with them so I suggest you write them a formal letter, providing an overview of the work you did and give them a couple of days to pay, demand to be payed!
If you still don't hear anything,.get a lawyer, go see if you can sue them for violation of copyright. YOU created the software, you own the copyright. If they don't pay, they are not entitled to use your software for free. Don't know how the law is back there but I would make them bleed in a lawful way.
Don't hack or break it. You'll be at risk because if you intentionally break shit they might sue you and you may end up having a criminal record.
@CodeMasterAlex couldn't agree more. This is the way to go. @bennythecat96 don't do anything shady. As the saying goes "two wrongs don't make one right". It will only turn back on you. These guys had no scruples about throwing you under the bus... They'll do that again and deleting their prod database or injecting dick picks makes you the easiest target ever.
Nanos537313dDraw a line under this event and count it towards experience and wisdom of how to do things differently next time.
I wouldn't waste any more energy on it, as it is likely to get you nowhere but wasted time and money.
If you take things further, you risk violence and worst against yourself (False allegations for example.), not worth the risk in my view.
Been there myself, so passing on my wisdom !
Good to hear your story, so we can all learn from it.
Nanos537313dIf money is a concern, do a crowd fund plea for assistance and I imagine some of us will throw a few dollars your way to help you out.
@swappy if I was that company and @bennythecat96 implemented @Floydian's solution, I'd drag him to court and tell the following sob story:
- We were on good terms and trusted him. Also time pressure, thus no written contract
- We had a mutual agreement, obvious due to him delivering a working product
- Then he started making unreasonable demands, threatened us, kept the code "hostage"
- We just did the right thing and tried to stick to the original agreement
- Boom, dev retaliated. Abused his access codes, hurt our business badly
- We never received the calls or emails he claims
- His POV is very doubtful. He nuked our prod systems/injected dick pics, which is a clear sign he's irrational
- Emails can be fabricated. Since we just established he's irrational, they probably are
As I can afford better lawyers, I'd win, keeping code *and* money. He'd probably have to pay the legal costs and maybe damages. On top of that his reputation would be ruined.
Revenge is so not worth it.
@Floydian Good question, depends on the setup (in every sense of the word ;)). Access logs with enough detail, probably.
I mean, what I come up with is beginner level, because I don't scam people for a living. Not saying this company does, but professional scammers do know how to cover their ass.
amatrelan35712dWell first of all keep code, and if they don't pay you, you should take full advantage of that code. I don't mean to put "dick pics" or anything like that. But publish code in some format (to git, blog post, etc).
With this way you get more publicity as developer what help you to land a job, but don't exposure that you have done it for client or client company name / friend name, those just brings useless problems.
You can ask your "friend" if he is willing to buy code from you within xxx time but if no answer will come it's your product so you're free to do with it anything.
Nanos537312d> it's your product so you're free to do
> with it anything.
I think that is somewhat dodgy ground, they could claim it is their code because they paid for it..
Eg. they may suddenly pay for it, or just claim they already did so. (Perhaps verbally..)
Perhaps with a fake receipt..
It's not necessarily a bad suggestion to publish the code, just I could see ways that could go pear shaped.
amatrelan35712d@Nanos Yeah but as I said he could put line when it needs to be paid, and if they don't pay at to that time it's contract violation.
And if they fake receipt and get caught for it, they would be in so big trouble that I don't see any logical person to do that.
Yeah but true, all what OP can do in this situation is next to problems, so safest way to handle is ignore case and learn from it.
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