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deadPix3l
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Well it seems devrant got an update since the last time I actually really looked at it. Or I'm just blind. Or it's been there all along and I'm just now noticing it, but it's driving me insane so I must ask:

Wtf does this do? What is the design decision behind it?! It's just wasting screen for no good reason!

It's not even Tumblr/Reddit like where it continues to tab over on mentions or other to represent a flow! It's just there! Gahhhhhh!!!!!!!

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  • 3
    It's probably a planned feature to separate comments into threads and this line is used so that it was easier to distinguish the threads. Kind of like tumbr or reddit

    @dfox @trogus
  • 3
    @dudeking probably. Which is fine by me. What really drives me insane though is that me starting a comment with a mention, this is clearly a thread. So the fact that it's not further tabbed means that it's currently a half baked feature in production that isn't providing any benefit but is taking screen space.
  • 5
    Hey so speaking of that, since you've already tagged the grandmasters here, how much trouble would it be to implement a tag to hide a comment from public view.

    I mean I like the privacy of not having a pm, but sometimes someone says something that takes a handful of tagged ppl completely off topic while others are still just showing up to comment on the op.

    Occasionally even some things that need to be said would just be easier done if they didn't have to be put right out on front street for everyone hear instead of just the tagged party and maybe a moderator or two.
  • 2
    @M1sf3t Hmm, that sounds interesting. So private comments, basically?
  • 3
    @ScriptCoded yea for the most part, but allowing a few moderators privilege to them probably wouldn't be a bad thought to keep people from abusing it.

    Provided the were mature enough to be in the conversation of course. I mean this place is basically set up to be anger management for devs and that's inevitably going to attract a few bi-polar devs that like to play both directions of the scope.

    Typically depression isn't something that's as easily discussed as anger and frustration so when someone breaks down and goes there it's either sit on your hands offering some bullshit passive statement or actually give them some relevant advice based on shit that's just really not the comfortable talking about.

    Other just need to be told they need to seek a professional in a manner that might actually get them to consider it and also not hide there head in shame or delete their accounts.
  • 2
    @ScriptCoded yea for the most part, but allowing a few moderators privilege to them probably wouldn't be a bad thought to keep people from abusing it.

    Provided the were mature enough to be in the conversation of course. I mean this place is basically set up to be anger management for devs and that's inevitably going to attract a few bi-polar devs that like to play both directions of the scope.

    Typically depression isn't something that's as easily discussed as anger and frustration so when someone breaks down and goes there it's either sit on your hands offering some bullshit passive statement or actually give them some relevant advice based on shit that's just really not the comfortable talking about.

    Other just need to be told they need to seek a professional in a manner that might actually get them to consider it and also not hide there head in shame or delete their accounts.
  • 3
    @M1sf3t if we're only concerned with not derailing and not privacy, maybe it's better to simply hide/compress/"thread hidden -click here to show" those. Or a global settings options like "hide mention chains by default"

    It wouldn't need to be restricted because it's still completely public should people choose to see it, but unless you are specifically mentions it would be compressed out of view.

    Or a derivative idea would be an alternative mention to specifically mark it as targeted at those people (again still public but hidden to avoid abuses)

    Something like @#M1sf3t or similar
  • 5
    @Alice yea I could see it being a source of fights that's why I was thinking it would be wise to moderate it.

    Seems like it would be a little less confusing to handle it that way than the way reddit does things though and I for one am pretty f'ng fantastic at derailing topics without even realizing it.

    Not that I'm sure your not aware of that already, but then there's also the amount of threads I catch myself and inevitably have to check out of because neither my brain nor drunk duck can find the answers fast enough to keep up with it.
  • 5
    Oh it hides under my finger 🤔 wtf is that for 🚩
  • 2
    @deadPix3l see idk about the whole compression thing because those style forums typically get so far off topic you'd think they'd have found the need to add merge and pull requests to them by now.

    but yea I was just thinking either add something to the mention or just have an @hidden mention added to the end of it so you wouldn't have to be sure to add it to everyone you were addressing.

    I probably shouldn't have used the word tag earlier should I? I'm still not quite fluent in what is what when it come to social media. I really haven't messed with any of them since myspace 😅
  • 2
    @M1sf3t I can see your point, but at that point it's just private chat no? Also as much as this community seems to be a step above the internet at large in terms of friendliness, people are people and private chat will lead to harrassment. That's why I said public but hidden, so it accomplishes the goal, but still allows for public shaming and community moderation of inappropriateness the way threads are handled already
  • 3
    @deadPix3l well thats where i was thinking allowing the moderators to see it come in. It doesn't even have to be someone intending to be abusive, some people don't always grasp the severity the situation and recommend a bandaid instead of the hospital and still others just naively give bad advice on the whole.

    There are members here that I think seem plenty well mature enough to moderate such a situation and people still be comfortable talking about it in front of just those members.

    If not that then maybe do like the army and implement a buddy system where they have to specifically have a third party included for it to even work.

    That would work for sidebars as well really. Seems like a lot of the more confusing sidebars often involve three or more people anyway.
  • 1
    @M1sf3t Hmm, yeah, I see your point. Though I also understand @Alice point. And moderation takes quite a lot of time. Dfox and trogus wouldn't be able to do that alone, so the community would have to take that role. But if @dfox and @trogus would be up for implementing such a system, sure. Though I wouldn't say this community is that toxic yet, so that'd be if hidden comments would introduce a lot more toxicity.
  • 2
    @M1sf3t I agree. I was only trying to alter your idea to eliminate the need for moderators or buddy systems to be invloved because neither scale well as the community grows. Of course I'm not against them but my intent was for it to not be required for the system to work and we would police each other not only on harrassment and malice but also general advice or other.

    One thing we can both agree on I think, the current format makes derailing too easy and would benefit from a redesign. Whether that's moderated private chat or Reddit flows or something else entirely
  • 3
    @deadPix3l yea I don't mean to sound like I'm just completely shooting down any alternative, I was just trying to clarify what I was getting at.

    @ScriptCoded and I get the whole abusive thing 110%, believe me I do, feeling like your harrassed and stalked is no f'ing fun.

    What I'm trying to get at though is that some of these rants end up resembling more of a group session and while the church house might be a good place to host AA, it wouldn't be a very helpful process if the whole choir and congregation showed up in attendance.
  • 2
    I read in the past this is not going to happen
  • 1
    @devTea just in general or where they talking specifically about this. I've read a few of threads where one person or another asked about a pm's but not about something done with then the ongoing thread.

    I could see where doing full scale subthreading like reddit could be pain it the ass to implement but i didn't know how hard it would be to just hide the comment from anyone not tagged.
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    I'm all down for it not being allowed to be a one on one thing though, not unless we get a block button as well because I tend to put a significant amount of wear on the one I'm given with other accounts.

    That's why I stopped using the rest in the first f'ng place, some of the whack jobs on my old myspace account would make arkam look like a daycare.
  • 0
    @deadPix3l if you remove the lines it looks like a regular feed. So its serving a purpose
  • 0
    @dudeking the only purpose it's currently serving is to tell the difference between the OP and comments. Which is pretty easy: the OP is the first one, the rest are comments. /confusion

    I just don't think it's actually achieving anything currently
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