I've met a potential client who has a popular website, but it was last designed in...get this...1995. The design literally has not been updated since then, except to update content via Dreamweaver. DREAMWEAVER! Sure, it runs fast in terms of page speed. But it's using tables for layout, has no CSS, and tags that have been deprecated for over 15 years now. And, of course, it's hosted on GoDaddy. Just...wow.

I was about to suggest some good alternative to editing HTML but I don't know what would be faster, easier, more convenient and flexible at the same time.

Maybe some JAM-stack application could come close in some of those metrics if done properly

Dunno if I dare admit this in devRant, but my specialty is WordPress. I'm convincing him to move to that instead so he can use WooCommerce for his eCommerce rather than emailing people an ever-loving PDF order form to fill out and mail a check to him. This site belongs in a museum. Feel like I'm doing archaeology here.

@stackodev yeah appart from a redo it's a possibility to rethink his business model and reconceptualizing how he can sell more with less effort thanks to marketing automation.

do a design thinking session with your client. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

@stackodev For e-commerce site WordPress is OK solution but not a good solution by my books. I've done some customization for client's WooCommerce theme (and continue it next week) and I wouldn't say it's a good experience. Hooks are nice in theory but when you have to go through 6 hops that are hardly traceable to debug single email... Yeah.

Have you tried Shopify? I haven't had an opportunity yet to look into it.

@joas I have a Shopify client and so far I am not loving Shopify. To take that client to the next level of functionality, where we can do all the customizations we want, is going to require either a ton of new apps that nickel and dime him or an upgrade to a $24,000 per year plan. With WooCommerce we can do all that stuff without a $24,000/year plan upgrade.

@heyheni yeah, this is definitely the plan, but he’s tough to get through to. If he’ll just stop trying to DIY long enough to have that conversation. I mean, I admire his wanting to learn, but he really has no idea what he’s getting himself into here. Even though WordPress makes lots of things easier, he doesn’t realize that it’s still going to require a body of knowledge that is earned over time and experience and not something just picked up from tutorial vids.

It probably still looks better than my website lol