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!rant

Disqualified just because of a stupid paper called degree :(

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  • 10
    For what, a dev job?

    If they care more about a paper then experience, I would not want to work there, because thats a big red flag that the place is pretty mismanaged
  • 3
    That's why I took the 18 months to just get the degree. Worth it.
  • 6
    Any dev or dev manager worth their salt will know that experience and skill trumps an arbitrary piece of paper. If the employer requires a degree, look elsewhere.
  • 13
    not really stupid my man. I made a degree a preference at my work place to weed out kids that read w3schools and think they could make web applications. The degree shows commitment although I will grant that it is not a mutually exclusive situation.
    I am also not doubting your mad skills, you might very well be a way better dev than I am. I also understand that not everyone can just go to school. Do you have a sickass portfolio and showed that you have the skills to pay the bills? if you did then fuck them and find something that will value your talents better man. best of luck!
  • 2
    @Root true that, but ich wouldn't call it arbitrary at all.
  • 3
    @AleCx04 we had people with degrees come in that take twice as long to basically teach them from scratch because what they learned was horribly outdated or just wrong.

    You can easily weed out the scriptkiddies with a test, it also catches people with degrees that just used tricks, or just memorized pure theory to get there
  • 4
    I see a degree as less of a validation of skill set, and more of a kind of evidence of their resolve and various life skills (on average anyways)

    They made a relatively long term plan (at least two years if not more) and they saw through to the end. They tend to be people that handle social interaction better, and tend to be more organized after the experience. This of course is not a given, but I’ve found it rings true more often than naught. I don’t make it a requirement, and experience trumps education for me, but I wouldn’t say it’s without merit
  • 4
    If a degree is just some stupid paper, then why don't you just obtain it? Should be doable in no time if there's nothing behind that backs it up, right?
  • 3
    I needed my degree. I look at what I was making before attending university and am horrified. And the worst part is, I know I'm just getting started.

    I'm not representative however so I respect anyone who is a good dev without a degree. I just needed that push in the right direction.
  • 1
    In my country u aint get a job as a waiter if you dont have a degree. Because hiring involves all kinds of social insurance and commitments from the employer thats why they are picky. As for freelancers u gotta be better or at the same level as the employed ones or u get kicked fast. Sometimes its not about ur skill but the environment ur in as to wether to get a requirement like a degree or not. Compare india vs america vs japan vs sweden.
  • 2
    Fun fact.

    Most CS grads can’t code.

    https://blog.codinghorror.com/why-c...

    If a place relies on a degree for what is fundamentally a creative role, then they’re no good.

    Unless they’re working on the super bleeding edge of advanced algorithms or AI then I wouldn’t trust anywhere requiring one.

    If you have the experience and the knowledge then that’s all that should matter.

    If they do it to weed out candidate CVs then they’re also not worth it; anywhere that’s willing to make such an arbitrary decision on a candidate is not someone that would be your friend once you got the role.
  • 5
    @Brolls
    "Why Can't Programmers.. Program?"
    is a 2007 article.
    I am not sure it is still applicable.
  • 3
    @Brolls I followed that link but can't find any statistics, just more links to blogs with more anecdotal stories. Maybe I missed it, but I don't think that's evidence that "most cs grads can't code".

    Do fresh CS grads write good, enterprise-level production-ready code? By and large probably not. But that's not what most CS degrees are teaching. Of course if they can't properly format a loop in their language of choice that's definitely a red flag, but plenty of people like that get through degrees leaning on their classmates. Hence most interviews require some kind of coding test in addition to things like degree requirements.
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop 2 years left to get my degree !
  • 2
    @Fast-Nop No. It requires a lot of time, effort, and money. However, it isn't very useful because it doesn't require much actual skill. It's a testament to your dedication more than anything else.
  • 2
    @dakkarant we do, but the process of elimination is simpler when we add the degree as a requirement. Specially considering that our local schools have great development curriculums.
  • 4
    @Root not much skill? they teach way more than just web dev. Im my B.S we had to dl everything, from low level development with the Linux OS to compiler and interpreter design.
  • 1
    @AleCx04 Very much depends on the college
  • 3
    @Root agreed, but also on the person. Most CA curriculums weed out the people that just can't hack it(get it badum tsss) with advanced classes.
  • 1
    This is also why I'm planning to get a degree after this experience unless I manage to get a fucking skyhigh salary job that I love. I hope unis will recognize my job experience and translate it in CFUs, otherwise it'll be a long path..
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