Scrum CSM course: it's good to accept that we can't be perfect.

Also CSM course (1): if it's not followed perfectly it's not scrum

Also CSM course (2): scrum won't work in your team unless the whole organization adopts it

CSM course provider after cert: $1k CSM cert isn't enough to practice Scrum responsibly

That sounds like horseshit.

I grokked scrum, it doesn't look that difficult.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Scrum is a way (along with Kanban) to manage projects using the Agile methodology.

Anyone who stubbornly works against the team mindset is considered a "Scrumbag", since they refuse to acknowledge and address their own imperfections.

@groxx yes! I like a lot of the tools but the way it's presented makes me cringe.

> it's good to accept that we can't be perfect.
Yes! A good, constructive error culture works wonders.

> if it's not followed perfectly it's not scrum
Total BS, as was already said.

> scrum won't work in your team unless the whole organization adopts it
BS. There'll be friction, but e.g. having Scrum teams in an otherwise waterfall-heavy environment does work.

> CSM course provider after cert: $1k CSM cert isn't enough to practice Scrum responsibly
Ah, there's the real reason for "the whole organization must adopt Scrum": They're money-grubbers.

@Hypergeek Scrum is not for projects.

If you need certification to follow ideas and approaches it's superficial, simple as that. And if that certification costs a whole bunch of money, it's even more superficial.

And if someone gets a shiny title and you're constantly told how great this thing is, it's not an idea / approach, it's pretty much a religion at that point.

@ojrask - Then what the f*** would it be used for? lol

Agile is the heart of most projects, in todays industry. Scrum is software-oriented... but can also be applied to full-scale design sprints, as well.

Especially, if you're good at realistic estimates.

@Hypergeek Scrum is for products. How many times do you see the word "project" mentioned in the Scrum Guide?

@ojrask -

Agile is a project management methodology. It is always about creating and improving a product in increments... but, is in absolutely no way restricted to software.

Scrum is used in many more ways than I guess you've had experience with. From movies to pharmaceuticals.

Kanban is also Agile. I have seen that applied to design and manufacturing more than software.

It's all about the product, which can be either the sole component - or, one of many - within a project.

@Hypergeek stop using capital A Agile and start being agile. Agility has nothing to do with project management, and everything to do with achieving valuable outcomes and learning on the move, be it with increments or iterations or spikes or whatever.

Most of the time when "Agile" is seen as a project management or people management thingy, it is used just for sugar-coating waterfally things with shorter iterations, less planning artifacts, and smaller work items.

@ojrask - That's an extremely unrealistic, and pompous reply. I'm fairly sure that you despise past-tense commit messages, as well.

Feel free to come back in a decade to let us know how that's been working out for you.

@Hypergeek I despise commit messages that are either useless or confusing, and agreeing on a scheme has never hurt anyone.

I'll set a reminder to 2030-01-01 and see if I can find you. :D