Bootstrap 3 is dogshit, bottom-tier, atrocious, unhelpful, bloated, failed software.

Bootstrap 4 actually isn't too awful though.

They kind of broke the no jQuery dep promise.

Use Material; it’s much nicer

Im stuck with bootstrap 3 at work.
You are not alone.

I'll be the odd ball, I didn't like 4 coming from 3

@M1sf3t getting 3 down to memory muscle was not easy, then 4 came out and went "nope, let's just break everything you ever knew".

That plus dropping v4 in over the top and everything just breaks was asking for a complete rewrite.

4 took away control of elements and started predicting its own things in a sense which I'm not a fan of in general.

I get it, css is hard to master, but I don't want no AI kind of framework just so I don't have to write code.

Bootstrap 10 is the best! 😏

@M1sf3t I have the opposite opinion, I thing the flex utility classes are faster than doing it on my own.

Though I agree that I find nicer results when I hand-craft everything

@M1sf3t I really like the ability to set display modes with breakpoints. For example, flex on medium and up screen, none on small screens. And I can set content alignment and justification there too, so it's pretty nice for those reasons. Plus, the modal system isn't awful since you can set them up without JavaScript for simple cases.

All in all, BS4 is pretty okay

@M1sf3t I don't like the column system, but like I said, bootstrap with flex and .d-<breakpoint>-type classes is really nice.

And the .m and .p classes (Also BS4) help keep consistency, and they have breakpoints too!

Basically, like the original rant says, I fucking despise bootstrap 3 and would never use it. But bootstrap 4 actually has some nice features.