Hating WordPress is cool these days, but:

1) Shitloads of themes for clients to choose from (I'm not good with designing and where I live you are more likely to meet a unicorn than a front-end developer that can code).

2) Non technical people can understand it's admin interface without lots of explaining.

3) Huge community makes it extremely easy to find answers even when looking for pretty specific stuff.

For me it's a valid option when making something simple.

Indeed, no reason to over complicate things

@klonky amen.

I've seen friends using themes with a shit-ton of plugins just because the theme looks great.

There are great options to build something beautiful without complicating things too much.

@armandogbr while correct the major benefit of WordPress for me is that the site is easy for a client to learn and maintain.

Ain't nothing in our job is simple. You aren't a developer if you only use work of others.

Also there are so many holes in that piece of crap cms, that it looks like a Swiss cheese.

Simple is not always good, if you want a cms, toughen up and use yii2. Its one of the fastest a most secure frameworks available now. Awesome framework that can be made into anything you want. And as for the design part. With a little practice you can strap any html5 theme on it.

Yeah @oceas I was talking about other themes, I love WordPress.

I just don't get devs that have no idea how to build a great simple site with such a great tool or are too lazy to do that.

There's nothing wrong with WordPress. It's how you use it that counts.

P.s what is a front end developer that can't code? How would that classify as a developer? 😂 @tmux

@itsfhm it's basically a Photoshop guy that creates a psd, then the client approves it and you have to do the whole html ccs js to make it look the same.

@tmux lol isn't that a designer?

@Raspik there's only holes if you leave holes in it ;)

If it's so bad, contribute to the project(it's open-source after all), and help out 17million+ people running a website.

Personally, I love WordPress, and work developing plugins and themes daily.

I've been working with WordPress for a few years now. It's not my favorite and has its limitations, but it is great for simple builds that don't need to be scaled. I have coded themes and plugins from scratch though, so I was able to manipulate a lot more and really make it my own. They have made a lot of improvements over the years and are implementing more modern practices. I definitely think it gets more hate than it deserves. I've done some pretty cool shit with it

I enjoy Wordpress a lot!

I just wish they would make the next version from scratch, get rid of legacy code and follow a more mvc and oop approach.

But then the millions of themes and plugins wouldn't work either, meaning no one would use it.

The only reason I mind WordPress is the fact that it's image is simplicity. So every time I get a small customer, they end up being upset at how long it takes to make the custom features they want.

I like the themes, I like the simplicity, but personally I stick to Ui kits since I am not good at front end, they work great, are customizable and can work with any back end.

Maybe give those a try as well :)

WordPress is incredibly flexible and when done right, the end result can be very clean.

@Raspik computer science is like other sciences : using other's work. You have to understand how other's work works but reinventing the wheel is not necessary. Else, you can't use any web language or web server for example.

The only draw back I experience with word press of which I can live with is, at this time it's still legacy code and not MVC

It's super useful to get results quickly, I've used it a lot and it most of the time works as expected. But I still loathe it.