If anyone can do a 12-week bootcamp to become a ‘developer’, where are the 12-week bootcamps to become a lawyer or doctor? 🤔

You're not even comparing apples to oranges at this point, you're comparing apples to fucking potatoes.

@Stuxnet
Kind of. In the early aughts, i crammed for 6 weeks, passed the practicing Bar exam prequal for a local firm so I could "read law" for our company's contract and patent solicitation needs. Lawyers just look shit up in WestLaw and file paperwork for the most part. It's the Google of legalese.

@Stuxnet Care to elaborate? I’m comparing professions

@gatorthepimp doctor and lawyer are regulated professions in most countries.

There are written standards to what you are required to complete before you can use the title.

There are no such thing for developers so technically you could call your self a developer after a 12 week course. Not necessarily a good developer, but technically a developer.

So the comparison is wrong.

A doctor for example in Sweden are required to do I think at least one year of on the job practice and a few years on a valid university course or they would commit a crime claiming to call them self a doctor

@Voxera Thanks for the detailed answer

I agree I’m comparing a regulated profession with an unregulated one, but I don’t agree the comparison is wrong, we’ve somehow internalized that software engineering should be unregulated without questioning that premise in the first place and it’s led to a bastardization of the industry

We have to question why there aren’t written standards for what’s required to complete or years on the job practice before someone can call themselves a developer or software engineer

I would like to believe that many professions in this industry (not all) such as software engineers working on mission-critical software or application security are essential to normal functioning of our society and have a duty of care to the people and companies we work for, so we have to question why the quality-control is so lacking compared to the other regulated professions

@Voxera
I think there's a good conversation to have at the moment especially for doctors and lawyers as to how much of their profession should still even be a profession. And whether or not grunt tech labor is really engineering.

Nurses can and, in the case of nurse practitioners, do most all of what a GP does. The prescription needs could be all but automated as matter of course, testing autorecommended and a standard metric required to allow refills. Doctors are only those in specialist professions at that point.

A lot of our process and bias issues could be solved readily through that mechanism. Fewer white guys addicted to opioids, fewer doctors ignoring women's endometriosis complaints.