I am confused about cloud hosting and domain

Which hosting platform is better

You definitely want hostgator.in

Wow, someone put @SortOfTested in a bad mood 😅

@green-dot, pick a cloud, pay the bill, and point your domain name at it...

Free or paid? Firebase is good for free hosting

@C0D4
Hey, it's totally racist to say that hostgator.in is bad. That is absolutely, positively the only conceivable reason to not recommend it. 🤭

@SortOfTested 👀 your words not mine.

Having had experience with them in the past, I doubt anything has changed since as far as being of any practical use other then taking your credit card and slapping you around.

@C0D4
I can't believe you don't enjoy their complimentary masochism services. Next you'll tell me that hosting your application on the same physical machine using only iis for isolation between tenants is a *bad* idea. 😋

@theabbie Might be but I'm wondering if it's a good idea to use the hosting services of a mass surveillance company...

@linuxxx True for any free service, I think most people are fine with that, It has paid plans, but I don't think you will trust them too

@theabbie I would never trust anyone who spies on me, especially when they refuse to take no for an answer.

Outside of tech that is called stalking and harassment, and it’s creepy and scary as hell. Why do we put up with it for our data?

@SortOfTested is there any other way besides IIS, no one ever told me that was a bad idea 🤷‍♂️

@Root Atleast in case of Google, we know it does so, If someone only wants free service, he will have to trade it with data, so, better do it with Google as it is professional in Data collection, If someone is willing to pay, they should definitely go for better services.

@theabbie Google collects data about you even if you actively avoid using their services.

They pull data about you (and associate it with your browser fingerprint) from every site that uses google fonts, google tag manager, google analytics, google ads, google’s JavaScript CDNs, google maps api, firebase anything, angular apps, if you use their dns servers, etc. (And later if they can tie it to a google account, they do so.) All of this together is so very easily enough to pinpoint you as an individual. Especially if you have an android phone, or allow them access to your gps or WiFi, even once.

All of this without ever using any of their free services. No gmail, no docs, no firebase, no Adsense, no search, no chrome. They can still figure out who you are, or at worst come pretty close.

Also with big data, they can begin to predict your behavior, and worse: how to change it. For now they’re content with selling that information — not PII, but in groups for advertising purposes. E.g. groups that meet specific criteria (even niche groups), or groups that are more likely to be influenced in a specific market or towards a specific view. Yes, including political.

@Root That means nobody should use free services, Google or otherwise, Because any free service has to get revenue some way or other.

@theAbbie you need to watch "the social dilemma" on Netflix.

It's a great eye opener for this exact topic.

@C0D4 I watched it, and I completely realize how badly they track us, but, here, my point is, you want free service, you will have to pay in some other way. You know any free hosting which doesn't trade it with something else?

@theabbie nope, if the product is free, your the product. Now for somethings you may be fine with that, for others not so much.

Do I use google: yes
Do I own google hardware: yes

-> although I understand the business model, I'm not influenced by their advertising, I only buy what I want to buy and ever so rarely impulse buy.

Do I have a facebook account: yes
Do I use it: no
Can I deactivate it: no
Can I shut it down to as private as possible and never use it again: yes

-> never create a developer account with these fucks, you instantly get stuck with having an account.

I pay for my web hosting, besides what I use my Raspberry pi for.

It comes down to how free is free, and how you as the product outweigh the convenience of a company's services vs your privacy.

@theabbie They really shouldn’t.

Ad supported is fine, though personally I detest the need for ads. My preferred method of alternate payment? Crypto miners — cpu cycles for services. These also act as very effective guards against bots. It is far from perfect, but better than most alternatives.

Really though, I am totally fine with paying for services I like and appreciate — as long as that payment is commensurate with my use of the service. $10 to read two articles? Hell no. $0.25 in Monero per article? Fine.

@C0D4 So, Firebase Should be used or not? And, is Raspberry Pi good for heavy servers?

@theabbie I don't use it, but then I don't use Google Cloud for anything besides their translation api.

According to Google's privacy policy, they don't use that data... but that's more of a trust issue since I can't prove otherwise.

@Root Every product could have been donation supported if people were willing to pay. It's not like those free restaurants were you pay what you feel, it would be unfair if only few people pay and majority enjoys service for free, also, if everything was paid, it would be unfair for small startups as people won't pay for new services which they don't trust, so, we can assume that whatever is happening is bound to happen.

@theabbie as for the RPi, no, I wouldn't use it for heavy loads. Running small site and a bunch of crons, I wouldn't call that heavy. But running a decent site and a tonne of traffic... I wouldn't do that.

You also then have the issue of granting public access to your home network to deal with - something that can go really wrong, really quickly.

Without looking and directly the answer is AWS

@theabbie @C0D4 Not true per definition. Take Signal, they are a non-profit operating on donations and they store so little and encrypt so much that they probably couldn't even make money from the data they have.

@linuxxx That's not a scalable Business model though, It would be unfair if few people donate and majority gets to enjoy it for free.

@theabbie But it works for them and donations are voluntary. And it had worked for them for years now.

Brian Acton (co-founder of WhatsApp) left Facebook a while ago and donated 50 million to the Signal foundation as a 'fuck you' to Facebook and because he wants signal to grow as big as WhatsApp.

@linuxxx It won't work for long though, big donations are good but they can't be considered success, They must make profit too, eventually they will shift to paid services. If donations were perfect business model, it would be dominating now, even Wikipedia is struggling for donations (implied by the fact that they are explicitly requesting it now), Using data for targeted advertising is not good too, but data is the only thing that people can trade off in exchange for free services. In conclusion, Signal can exist in parallel to whatsapp, but if they need to scale, they need something more reliable.

@theabbie Oh I mostly agree but it was me more about the statement that you per definition are the product when you're using free services and this is false.

Signal is exploring premium options and things like Signal merch :)

@linuxxx Let's hope then they survive and don't resort to surveillance for revenue

@theabbie When you read how far they go with privacy protections, you'd be stunned I think.

But yes, let's hope so!

Also, they implemented their encryption protocol into whatsapp, Skype and messenger till now and I think they got money for that too.

Definitely dont use google cloud