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F1973746530dSame situation with job hunt. Below saying helps me:
This too shall pass :)
phat-lasagna26530dsame here, wishing the best for you guys.
> how am I ever going to get a job in this
> type of situation?
I hear it can often be down to who you know, rather than what you know.
As such, suggest trying to hang out in social settings where the people who might be able to help you also hang out.
I hear golf is good for that.
Maybe bars by particular businesses might also be a good bet.
> how do you stay optimistic with so
> many rejections non stop day after day?
Chatting with friends helps.
Watching upbeat TV series about the future.
Chatting with naked people you fancy. (aka webcams.)
I remember it took me 19 years to find my first job !
All I had to do was find a job that no one else had applied for..
EDragon73129dNanos, if it comes down to who you know, I'm screwed.
EDragon73129d19 years? that is a crazy long time
thank for the advice!
hardfault208029d@EDragon plot twists @Nanos was looking for job since he was born 🤪.
on a serious note you went through a lot, give yourself a break ( i mean might sound like a luxury)
but just find few days for yourself
And I really hope you find good people/friends around you because sometimes that makes all the difference
Sadly where I am, you aren't allowed to work much when you are young, only when you reach legal age !
Something to remember when you see posters like this..
Unintended consequences 101, lets help the poor children by stopping them earninn money, so they are even poorer !
Bit like, lets improve housing for the poor, resulting in higher rents the poor can't afford..
No, us poor was quite fine with our windows held in with sticky tape, affordable rents and going to work at age 8.
> if it comes down to who you know,
> I'm screwed.
I hear social networks can help increase the number of people you know.
Facebook being the number one..
But perhaps if you ask for help on devRant, there might be someone in your neighbourhood who could help, or someone might know someone in your neighbourhood..
I'm reminded of:
Proof! Just six degrees of separation between us
After checking 30 billion electronic messages, Microsoft researchers say the theory stands up
I love the way it says:
> This article is more than 12 years old
> produced in 423 bce.
But, no warning its more than 2,443 years old..
I've been trying to expand my social network for decades and look how its helped me..
One problem I found is, useful people you find, tend to die of old age / etc. !
So you always need to be on the lookout for replacements..
Interestingly, many of the friends / associates I do make, tend to be other people who have no friends / associates..
As such, we aren't an awful lot of use to each other..
Compared to say, if we knew someone who was super useful and knew tons of folk who could help us !
Anyhow, I'm trying to cultivate that in a few Facebook groups I run, to see if that can work. (Early days, they have only been running 10+ years so far..)
BaoBao4128dI really wish you the best for some better news in the near future! 🤞
Reply, part 1:
Yes, job finding is a tough endeavor.
I'm sorry for your loss..
I'm not going to say I'm an expert at job seeking, but I can give you some tips based on my own experience and those I've heard from people I knew. I've also gone through hundreds of interviews over the space of a year (that's a loooot).
If you're competing with people who have years of experience, you must demonstrate interest with presentable (! i.e. considerate in size, creativity and complexity) side projects. Do note that years of experience don't necessarily represent relevant expertise. You can be doing the same thing wrong for years, for instance. What matters is concrete skills, not fluff. Yeah, I've certainly noticed that during interviews. If you're being theoretical, they're like: "yawn". You need to show them concrete skills.
Reply, part 2:
If there's one thing I've learned from job hunting is that you have to have the basics down (all the boilerplate introduction stuff, all the personal questions stuff, pitfalls etc.). After you've got that down (ASAP), then you must learn to present value; after all, like I've learned in sales classes: "What's in it for me?" is the key sales pitch. What can you offer them? You can start with little side projects and put them on GitHub, since git is a much-demanded and well-known Version Control System used professionally these days.
You must also be enthused (but not too enthused if you know what I mean) and not appear disinterested or few of words (this pissed off some of my interviewers, lol). Just have a natural flow going on. Like Sir Isaac Newton said: "Do not mess with the order of nature, for distruption will lead to undesirable results".
Reply, part 3:
You stay optimistic because you're on a road to improve yourself, bit by bit and you know that perhaps someday you will reach a stable point where you're able to get past these basic interview steps. You stay optimistic because you need this job; you need to get somewhere and start building your career. You need to get over this step in life.
Go forward, go strong!
P.S.: Sorry for the very long reply, lol, but I really wanted to help you out.
@CaptainRant I really appreciate your long responses and your advice on your experiences with your interviews. I appreciate knowing what they want to hear or are really interested in knowing. It's hard when starting out and just having these skills and just saying "I can build whatever you want, what do you want?" lol (in short)
It totally helps me to focus my attention on what they want from me, what They would be more interested in and what they would get from me.
In all honesty that is the hard part for me, selling myself effortlessly. I mean sure confidence is a big part of it but also the marketing aspect of selling my skills is what I struggle with. Your responses help me find what I need to work on, so thank you my friend!!
TedTrippin4524d"I wonder if talking to a marketing type..."
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
That's a "no" from be, btw.
You don't just get a certificate and get a job unless you're extremely lucky. Unfortunately, there's too many unemployed people out there with more certificates/qualifications/experience than you going for the same job. Only thing you can do is keep applying. On the side, as others have said, work on your own projects. Create your own website. Create an app; doesn't have to be fancy, could just be a simple game. Look at flappy birds!! Some recruiters will pick up on this. Some will be looking for people for whom computers is a passion.
CaptainRant253816d@EDragon 5.. years.. later..(jk).
I indeed think a life coach type wouldn't be specific enough for your situation. I've met tons of those and they didn't help me out (at all), they've mostly helped themselves out doing their little sales talk.
Those who've helped me out were those who truly wanted to help me out and who truly wanted to bond me and the company together. Those who care.
Yes, you may briefly bring it up in an interview that you want to collaborate with others because this indicates the helpful teamplayer aspect (but don't drill on it too much or you'll have an adverse effect; keep it natural, as with everything). They do expect you to not be too dependent on others, so don't make your teamwork characteristic your only focus. You also have to show that you can work on your own.
CaptainRant253816d@EDragon (Part 2)
Now, if you do create your own projects, make sure you can defend them technically! I've had situations where I threw together a project and then the interviewer would hammer me down on minute technical details of it. You have to know how to stand your technical ground; be able to answer architectural questions as well as technically refined questions; know and own your product. And how do you do this? Well, first of all by working on it every day and second of all by studying the topics around the technologies it uses. That's what we do in college too; we build fundamentals so we have a firm framework to stand upon. They need to know they can count on you, that you are adaptable and usable. Like they teach in the ITIL course: focus on value (yeah, I already said that, haha).
Only thing you can do is keep applying.
there's too many unemployed people out there with more certificates/qualifications/experience than you going for the same job.
Doesn't that mean that some poor so and so is always going to be at the bottom and never get a job, because there is always someone better they can employ instead ?
Kinda like relationships..
Unless perhaps you move to Mars, and you are the only person there to be employed !
(Also works on small islands..)
jeeper52859dA ton of good advice here, but here is one tactic: apply to the absolute newest job postings.
A lot of companies are gonna stop at the first resume that sort of fits and call it done. They might have paid for the listing to be up 30 days, but if they fill it in 3 the just ignore the rest.