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WHAT. THE.
https://youtube.com/watch/...

1. watch video
2. comment your thoughts on it
3. read the following copypaste of my thoughts
4. comment your thoughts on whether I'm stupid or he's stupid
5. thanks

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I am a programmer and I totally prefer windows.
1. I'm (besides other things) a game programmer, so I use the platform I develop for.
2. Linux is the best OS for developing... Linux. But I'm not developing linux. I want to use my OS and have it get in the way as little as possible, not test and debug and fix and develop the OS while i'm using it, while trying to do my actual work.

The less the OS gets in my way, the less stuff it requires me to do for any reason, the less manual management it needs me to do, the better.
OS is there to be a crossroads towards the actual utility. I want to not even notice having any OS at all. That would be the best OS, the one that I keep forgetting that I'm actually using. File access, run programs, ...DONE.

p.s.
if i can't trust you, a programmer, to be able to distinguish and click the correct, non-ad "download" button, or find a source that's not shady in this way, I don't want you to be my programmer. Everything you're expected to do is magnitude more complicated than finding a good site and/or finding the correct "Download" button and/or being able to verify that yes, what you downloaded is what you were after.
Sorry, but if "i can't find the right download button" is anywhere in your list of reasons why "linux is better", that's... Ridiculous.

6:15 "no rebooting" get outta here with this 2000 crap. because that's about the last year I actually had to reboot after installing for the thing to run.
Nowadays not even drivers. I'm watching a youtube video in 3d accelerated browser window while installing newest 3d drivers, I get a half-second flicker at the end and I'm done, no reboot.
the only thing I know still requires reboot within the last 15 years is Daemon Tools when you create a virtual drive, but that one still makes sense, since it's spiking the bios to think it has a hardware which is in fact just a software simulation....

10:00 "oops... something went wrong"
oh c'mon dude! you know that a) programs do their own error messages, don't put that on the OS
b) the "oops... something went wrong" when it's a system error, is just the message title, instead of "Error". there's always an "error id" or something which when you google it, you know precisely what is going on and you can easily find out how to fix it...

Comments
  • 5
    You're both stupid
  • 2
    You're both correct
  • 6
    Meh, not this again...

    There will be people who argue to the ends of the earth about why their OS is better, and why (x group of people) prefer it.

    Personally, I really don't give a crap so long as I've got admin access and can install whatever I need to do my job. I'm constantly amazed so many people seem to care so much about what OS someone else is using.
  • 0
    Pretty pointless, if you ask me(me)
  • 7
    (1/2)

    Ok, full disclosure: I never liked Windows, it was never *my* main OS ever; I used macOS for pretty much my entire life before and switched to Linux (first Arch and now Void) 2 years ago when macOS became too locked down for me.

    Indeed, an adblocker will prevent the "hundreds of download buttons" "issue" so it's a moot point now, and indeed the error messages aren't tied to the OS of course and therefore that is misleading, it's just that CLI programs usually have more detailed errors, and also when an OS was meant initially for more experienced users instead of normies, sometimes the GUI error messages are more detailed too. Honestly I can see that he is inexperienced, but I overall actually agree with him on most points. For example, for like every single friend of mine who is on Windows and every single Windows machine I had to help fix, restarts are a pain in the ass for updates (which are automatic by default and AFAIK difficult to change, seriously?!), for starters. [...]
  • 7
    (2/3)

    Also, the lack of a package manager by default is genuinely annoying for me for convenience's sake. Really, overall, Linux in fact actually stays much more out of my way than Windows or macOS ever did since it does exactly what you tell it to, how you tell it to. Next to no baked-in defaults (you really make your system your own), no random applications updating whenever (or almost, looking at you Steam and Discord 😑), and dev tools are indeed dead easy to install (not only for Linux like what you say, far from there, but it is true that game dev is still unfortunately very Windows-centric, although that is changing) compared to Windows and macOS unless you use Scoop or Homebrew, respectively.

    Also, PowerShell is just painful to use to me compared to UNIX shells and all the power they offer, and honestly shell tools to me are now faster, easier, and cover more use cases than any equivalent GUI program for like 99% of my cases.
  • 7
    (3/3, sorry 😅)

    From what I've seen, but if someone more knowledgeable than me on this topic could confirm or correct me here that'd be great, Windows also does still appear to be a security nightmare, partially due to design choices (only simple yes/no by default with UAC? Seriously?), partially the fact that it's proprietary, and partially due to the fact that Microsoft has to support a ridiculous amount of backwards compatibility, mostly for old hacky enterprise programs. Also, a system with less programs running is indeed usually taking up less resources, but I have consistently noticed performance improvements for *general use* when people switched from Windows to Linux on their computers.

    To summarize, sorry for the long posts: shell and coreutils, package manager, resource-friendliness, security, in fact in my view make Linux stay much more out of your way than Windows or macOS, if you're willing to get used to it, in which case you will really reap the rewards.
  • 7
    Funnily, I consider Linux as actually easier these days. That's why I dropped all kinds of Windows support in my family, it's just too much hassle that I don't want to deal with.

    However, even these end users now prefer Linux - if they get a fully installed and configured machine ready to use.

    All these shitty Windows reboots for updates, and then not just actually "reboot" like with a kernel update, but doing whatever stupid shit Windows does - for minutes. Sometimes several times over. It may even ignore the "active times", which means you can lose data.

    The file explorer still doesn't have tabs in 2021, and the search function has become useless.

    On top of that, the whole OS is just spyware, and since MS cut down on their QA, their "updates" have become a ridiculous shitshow.
  • 2
    @chilledfrogs The yes/no UAC is under the assumption you either have your computer locked if you are away from it or you keep others away from your (unlocked) computer.
  • 1
    Windows is really getting in my way, as an advanced user. I'm looking for a little replacement (run programs, open files and THAT'S IT) but I know it will get in the way in some other way too.
    No solution is perfect.
    So I prefer the hell I already know, until I have the time to know something else better.
    You know Windows? Stick to it.
    You know some Linux distro? Stick to it.
    No thing is better, everything is a tool with it's use case.
    Except SmallTalk. Fuck SmallTalk.
  • 0
    @sbiewald Indeed, I was more referring to the fact that hitting yes can be automated with a program without knowing the user's password, and asking to confirm a user's password like in the case of sudo, well, can't
  • 2
    Didn't even had to open the video to know its an os war. Get over this stuff, people are stupid calling out about what os they use, tabs vs spaces, iphone android, whatev. Use what you like and what your job wants you to use.

    My bestie always ridicules me for preferring windows. But i get the final laugh when his lubuntu laptop will crash out of certain terminal commands, but then my build times would make me cry and then he would laugh.
    Then we both got macbooks from our companies and we haven't discussed any os talks recently, except i still struggle to get used to it and find it shitty.
    My opinion: windows is a true user friendly , gui os with everything super easy, but dev work gets a little difficult on this os. Linux is a true developer friendly os with god speeds , but needs a learning curve.
    Mac os is a mix of both the worlds with too much restrictions for both end user and dev , so good/bad for both, depending upon how much you like those restrictions
  • 3
    @chilledfrogs This should not be possible. The UAC is (by default) executed on a second ("secure" vor whatever) desktop, together with a higher integrity level.
  • 0
    @sbiewald Hmmm, I see, I had no clue about that, thanks for the clarification; I honestly just saw a demonstration with a rubber ducky some time ago doing exactly that and was a bit taken aback 😅 so I thought it might be vulnerable to more than just a rubber ducky
  • 1
    @chilledfrogs Rubber ducky = attached (programmed) keyboard = physical access (and for that, I already explained that it does not protect against that).

    I would like to add, that the UAC isn't really a security feature, rather a "prevent the worst" thing - unless set to "confirm everything" (independently of yes/no or password) it can be circumvented programmatically. On home computers, administrative rights aren't needed anyway for the most things malware does, and in enterprise environments hopefully you have sensible admins (and ideally you do not have admin rights anyway)...
  • 2
    @chilledfrogs nope, hitting that UAC yes cannot be automated by a program, that's the point of the UAC prompt, it blocks any automation input.
  • 2
    It's weird because my experience with windows is that it actually gets in the way more than Linux. Sure Linux occasion breaks for little reason, but last time is used windows I was unable to login after changing my user language. If it's about software availability I think you are right.
  • 0
    @sbiewald @Midnight-shcode ok, thanks for the clarification concerning UAC guys 😅 sorry about that
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