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The moment when you begin to understand just about any programming language because you mastered one. And you solve problems much more effectively.

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    And then the time comes where getting into a flow state gets easier and easier and your productivity skyrockets. But don't forget to take regular breaks (Pomodoro) otherwise you're exhausted very soon.
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    That feeling lasts until you try a language focused on a paradigm you have no experience in.

    Most can just try Haskel or OCaml/F# to quickly get rid of that feeling as they are completely unprepared for the functional paradigm and mighty type systems.
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    This is the difference between a coder, a programmer or an engineer. Be proud of yourself regardless you have a degree or not
  • 2
    Reminds me of having just a Rosetta Stone to hand and coding a partners homework for them in a language I had never used before.

    It ran first time they told me, and got them an A+ as it was more space efficient than everyone else's code. :-)
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    @Oktokolo you are so unbelievably correct. Even though I am quite comfortable with map reduce and also immutability, I still struggle learning to use haskell.

    But each time when I do accomplish something,i like how clean haskell looks.
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    @plusgut
    If you like clean code, try OCaml (the original) or F# (copycat actually having an eco system).
    They have compile-time type inference allowing you to get rid of most type information.
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    @Oktokolo thanks for your suggestions! I already had a look at ocaml, but I had a couple of issues with ocamls package manager. It expected having kernel modules activated, which I didn't want to be enabled.

    I think I stick with haskell, so far nothing annoyed me there.

    I'm quite opinionated and easily dismiss things, when I feel that bad decisions were made.

    In haskell I feel that a lot of really good choices were made.

    Even if it takes me a while to understand the concepts of it.

    But thanks for your recommendations anyway!
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    @plusgut
    Well, Haskell is definitely the more pure language (as OCaml/F# are multi-paradigm and even allow explicit mutation). So if you are a mathematician at heart, Haskell actually might be the best language...

    But have you tried Coq?
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    @Oktokolo I actually don't have any mathematical background at all. I just like well thought through programming languages which encourage elegant coding.

    I have never heard of coq before, but I'll definitely have a look at it, thanks!

    I'm currently trying to write a compiler with an llvm backend, and am enjoying that process a lot with haskell (even though that it's quite tough on me). But each time when I succeed with something and look at the code, I am enjoying how clean everything looks with the pattern mathing and guards.
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    Sounds sublime, and gives me something to look forward to. Thanks
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    @mammalCase obligatory ++ for new joiner, welcome!
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    I found once I'd learnt a couple of languages I started to see the similarities, didn't need to master any one language. Admittedly my first language was c++, so takes a hella long time to master, template meta programming is some real voodoo...
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    Yeah but then comes Visualforce and boom, all that C++ and Java and Python doesn't help anymore. 😭
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