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AtuM294622dIt depends so much on where you get your first job. That is your banchmark for the future.
Some companies are really intense and the learning courve is very steep. With these companies the adaptivity rate can be high and you need to learn new technologies even before you get a grasp on the older sruff.
There are also companies that are more bureaucratic in nature, rules are strict, change is slow, everything is just rigid.
Now... you can thrive going from the first to the second type. The other way around is just mission hopeless.
NoMad1237722dPreach! I knew a guy in uni with zero industry experience who did projects a whole team does outside of uni.
Nanos1105221dYears ago if you wasn't good at your job, you was fired, so you rarely saw folk with experience who was idiots.
These days, it can be rather difficult to get fired for doing the worst possible work, or lack of.
qwwerty75421d@Nanos bullshit. We have poorly to mediocre performing techs with work aniversaries going over 20+ years.
Getting somebody fired for performance is so much paperwork it happened only once in my 9 years here (center with 1000+ heads).
It's also part of the reason why any major change is slow - unwillingnes, resistance, status quo maintenance.
Welcome to corporate.
@Nanos that’s not true at all. Getting fired for writing shit code is just something that barely ever happened at any point.
Worked for large multi nationals with over 100k staff. Extremely common to find people with +30 years in the company who’ve not got a clue. Because they’ve never fired people, shit devs just decide to just become “lifers” and coast through their days.
One of these lifer guys was put on our team after his previous team shut down. He had no relevant experience of any kind for our team. He couldn’t figure out modern IDE’s or text editors and refused to do anything other than write code in Microsoft word!!! He produced about 1% of the code that everyone else did.
He couldn’t be fired, so they just found somewhere to put him, regardless of what impact that has.
lungdart17520dNot everyone's year is the same. Hours of a better metric.
If you spent 10 years at a web dev shop but only put in 2,000 hours of web dev, you're going to be worse than the guy who was there for 3 years but did 10,000 hours.
> that’s not true at all.
FX [ Confused look. ]
But you then both went on to agree with what I said !
Did you both think I meant the oppersite ?
FX [ Tries to figure out how he could have worded what he said to mean anything other than what he wrote.. ]
Relevant copy of what I wrote:
"These days, it can be rather difficult to get fired for doing the worst possible work"
Is English a second language for either of you ?
If so, what do you think the above "" means ?
FX [ Tries to imagine what other folk think he said.. ]
Ah, maybe it was:
Since I notice a reference to: "+30 years", so you could think that "Years ago" = last 40 years, and that "These days" means this year/last.
"These days" for me is the last 50 years !
You had to go back practically 50+ years before you found folk who got sacked for being useless. :-)
The last time I heard anyone getting sacked for such things was in the early 1980's.
So, next time, I must mention the years in question !
xxzer058219d"[ ... ] "years of experience" basically means nothing, both for people and organisations. You can work with someone who has 30 years experience who knows nothing, and someone with 1-2 years who's practically an expert. [ ... ] "
You summed up my existential work crisis in one sentence. I love you.
The big problem about telling that at my young age is: it makes me look like I'm presumptuous.
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