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and here I was thinking we were past the "togtfo" days... ugh.
@g-m-f I'd be a little creeped out if a recruiter called me beautiful... o.O It's it the beard, or beer belly that does it for you? :-p
Not professional in the slightest, sorry you had to deal with that.
sterex4525yOuch! That's so lame.
Some of the best coders I know of are female.
Some people need to have their brains plucked from out of their you-know-what!
Jesus, this is going to be highly unpopular, here we go...
I don't see the big deal, he is not asking for a sandwich, he is complementing her for being beautiful in a fun way, inappropriate? f*** yes, but not "creepy" or "sorry about that" or "he almost asked you for coffee" inappropriate...
I'm dead sure more than once you have thought the same of a female/male co-worker, I know I have.
Basically this is a "damn, she is beautiful, smart and knows how to code", and that's not offensive.
Furthermore, after the unfortunate introduction, he carried on presenting both offers the more polite and educated manner there is, never doubting her capacity or performance.
If he was doubting her knowledge for being a beautiful woman, sure as hell he wouldn't have spent the time presenting them.
PS: Let's not make life a "gender equality seminar", or eventually saying something as innocent as "you look rested today" will be took as a sexual offence/proposition.
@g-m-f It's probably a matter of perspective, I see "real" as "there are not many like you", which is true, and also as "I'm not very mature, so I think this is being cute", which is inappropriate...
...Not as "I'm sure you are fake", or much much worse "how good are you making coffee"...
...Those ones wouldn't receive 2 job offers.
I personally think we are being trained to over react to anything that might look in the worst case scenario sexist, or else we are oppressive and misogynistic.
And I'm sorry, but I don't support that. I like women in engineering, I fully support it, my girlfriend is gorgeous and she is an engineer (telecommunications and electrical), but for exaple, I don't see why @GirlsWhoCode is a thing, are we not supposed to be equal?
@rsd-raul The purpose of it is to help woman get into tech as they are not treat seriously (which this post is proof of).
Unfortunately some people won't stop at equality and blow it out of proportion which is why so many misconstrue the meaning of a feminist (to fight for equal rights to men).
@nblackburn I concur, I'm even on board with such programs, not because they (woman) deserve the same opportunities, that's rather obvious, but because engineering was "for guys" a few years ago, and we slowly need to educate our youth to decide what they want to be, whatever that is.
That being said, I don't see how she referencing those accounts helps the cause, is this an example of sexism? or is it just inappropriate observation?
Will a guy in the same situation (he being handsome and getting the email) generate such responses to the situation at hand? will a female recruiter be considered sexist? or just inappropriate?
The minute we start victimizing people based on slightly inappropriate comments we make people less likely to consider an engineering field, not all girls/boys are willing to fight against "injustice", if we make "engineering for women" look like a war, we are loosing.
benrooke915yIf there wasn't a history of systemic sexism in the workplace (have you watched Mad Men?) then I would be more willing to see the "over reacting" point. But the issue is that we should make an effort to consciously override our unconscious bias, especially when it comes to female equality. I believe it is sexist because the recruiter is generalizing based on her sex and looks. This might be an unconscious bias borne out of culture, society, or whatever. But if we don't make an effort to actively fight against our own internalized generalizations, we're not helping move away from the past.
@benrooke So let me get this straight, if I'm handsome and a female recruiter said this to me, everything is fine, a curious anecdote... If it's the other way around, we must fight for equality!...
...Because "history" and "Mad Men".
I'm sorry, but over reacting is not equality, equalty is not asuming someone is asking you about "your coffee making skills" when he calls you "beautiful", equalty is encouraging at most, not providing an advantage.
If you want to change history, don't repeat it.
Hell if a female recruiter hit on me to get me to interview for a role, she'd get her ass reported to her bosses. The tone of this email is clearly an equality issue. But the underlying problem here is that the recruiter has expressed clear interest in how the client looks, as opposed to what the client can bring to the table professionally. Take gender out of it and you've still got issues! All around, pretty awful way to go about recruiting.
@ChrisCooney I'm with you on that, it's both unprofesional and inappropiate, LinkedIn is not Tinder, and you are not asking her out, you are talking on behalf of companies about job openings.
I'm just not on board with the whole "he thinks you are stupid because you are beautiful", an all that squeezed out from a joke about her being beautiful...
...I actually think we are the ones being sexist asuming he is calling her "not smart" instead of "rare", which, let's face it, she is.
Just a few notes here:
1. Not my own personal experience nor am I the tweeter, just saw this and thought it fit this week's topic superbly well.
2. I see this as both an issue of professionalism and sexism. A good-looking man who codes would never receive this comment. Plain and simple.
3. I FIRMLY believe organizations like Girls Who Code are only beneficial to the industry. We are short on people to fill jobs and women are a lower percentage of the workforce, plain and simple. I am a woman in tech myself and have experienced sexism in and out of the office, have a lack of female coworkers, and have experienced women's apprehension to learn to code firsthand.
4. Let's all play nice here :) remember...we have one common enemy...RECRUITERS 👿
ednuzzi-24yThat reminds me of Jared from SV lol
httpokay6That's a tough career choice decision to make 😝
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