Even if you uninstall MS Teams, it will find a way to start again.

Just remove the auto-installer...

Me: Let's talk in Google Meet or Zoom.
Client: Here's your Teams link.
Me: )!@&*#&*(!@&(*%

I love how Microsoft team foundation was touted as the future

Whatever happened to share point btw ? Did orgs decide to hire actual developers or did they give up ?

@YouAllSuck they almost killed Skype. Sktpe was not even mentioned in Windows 11. And they show Teams as something even grandparents should use. Why did Microsoft not use existing Skype and develop it further to be like Teams? In fact, Skype and Teams are so similar, except that Teams is extensible via programming. Why reinvent Skype as Teams is the question they never fully answered. Oh, remember the days that Skype is almost uninstallable as well and always appear during startup, just like Teams.

@YouAllSuck Sharepoint lives. Until proven wrong I am convinced that Teams chats are just Sharepoint documents with comments.

@ReverendLovejoy Well for file sending and team files this is definitly. Just a "prettier" frontend to the sharepoint stuff. Also explains the loading times. And also Electron explains a lot of loadng times.

@vicary why does that aggravate you so much?

@apan ignorance maybe?

It’s persistent, but that’s still no reason to use it xd

Why won't the US sue them for anti trust this time.

I have never used slack or like it necessarily, but this seems to me like IE (Teams) vs NetScape (Slack) all over again.

Next they say, that it's an integral part of windows and it can't get removed. And pleas STOP DRAWING PARALLELS TO FACETIME, this is a business manager, not random video calling. They preinstalled the Skype "App" in Windows 8 and failed. They had "their facetime". Teams is not that, but a blatant try to leverage their OS to weed out their competitors... AGAIN!

@vicary so what's the problem? Click ob the link, have the meeting in the browser, no need to register or download anything

@LinusCDE so why apple and google can preinstall a chat/call app in mac os, ios, android and chrome os... But if ms do it (since at least xo always came with a chat app) it's a disaster? And nooe, teams it's not only business, there is also teams personal

@dontbeevil Android for example has google offer manufacturers to add their apps. They have usually a heavy incentive to do so, but even they have fallen under regulations for contractually forcing chrome with their apps.

Apple is a tight eco system, but its more like a firmware to them and they don't sell their OS to others.

Windows on the other hand is a monopoly on the Desktop/Laptop market. Their is no way around it. Even if Mac has like 10% and Chrome like 15% percent or whatever (guessed), they are still well above 50% and even more when not considering the education space.

When they install a default app, it has a huge impact. And they're doing the same to slack, what they did to Netscape back then. Isn't it enough that they have way more money to begin with and can buy themselves Ads/Attention?
No they gotta use their monopoly as well. This is some serious misuse of power.

That they can be used privately doesn't count. Wasn't Teams originally Skype for Businesses?

@dontbeevil The fact that they are the monopoly on Desktop/Laptops with Windows is already troublesome.

Windows is basically the industry in which software makers fight for most installation.

The fact that they create Teams and are "the basis of the industry" makes it imo a huge problem to begin with.

To install Teams by default is to elect themselves the winner without Slack getting any chance.

Why people are not dumb, they prefer convenience. They will get double digits in market share, just because it's already installed and less to manage for the IT dept.

@dontbeevil Mostly familiarity and feature difference.

When you receive the link you usually don't have the time to find out if app A can do multi-screen recording and audios, or where is the chromecast button in app B.

@LinusCDE it's funny, the monopolt it's only when it's about ms and windows, suddenly doesn't matter if ios and android have an higher market share... It's useful to consider only the desktop market share in this case.

Once again ms always have included a chat app, now it's/will be teams... And i also remember when slack welcomed teams and wasn't scared of Teams... Lol how things changes

@vicary my point is if the client will ask let's talk in teams... You will reply here is the google/zoom link?