Prediction:
Windows 11 will be forced on Windows 10 users through similar tactics as Windows 10 was forced on users.

I started looking at how to prevent this. The wording from some tech support people seemed to indicate this.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...

The response seems like, "oh yeah, some will be forced, like home users."

Don't trust these MS assholes at all.

I am thinking of getting a third drive and installing SteamOS. See if it is "really" an option for some games.

Surprise!

Looks like SteamOS is non-starter. It is only for certain hardware. Will have to look for a suitable generic Linux.

It would be hard to force anything when they've basically declared vast majority of PCs as incompatible.

With Win 7, it was clear that Win 8 was worse because it was a failed bastard of mobile and desktop, aimed at abusing the desktop monopoly to get foothold in the mobile sector. Win 10 was worse because of it's forced, lousily tested updates and the forced spyware.

But if you are fine with the complete trash that is Win 10, why would you want to oppose Win 11?

@Fast-Nop Spyware and forced updates aside, win10 is a really stable system and it's compatible with software for every windows since XP SP2. The Settings app sucks, but that aside it's also fairly easy to configure everything and user programs can hook into the OS in many ways. It's also not very picky with hardware, so long as performance requirements are met.

All in all, windows 10 is usable for anything and excels at nothing, which makes it a very popular system among people who don't want to understand what the computer does.

@Fast-Nop Because newer hardware cannot get windows 7 drivers. I want to run games and develop software to run on Windows 10.

I don't want to be forced to get a microsoft account to log in. That is forced in Windows 11. Among other horseshit.

Being able to develop for Windows is the hard requirement. I just want these fuckers to leave me the hell alone.

@lbfalvy Win 10 isn't stable. Even the file explorer still has the right click of death issue also with local SSD drives, and shit is crashing but at least it's only the fucking desktop. You also need to reboot the machine regularly because prolonged uptimes (a week or more) render e.g. MS Word unstable.

That's my personal expierence from using this crap at work, but I get paid by time, not by output, so I don't care. At home, I wouldn't use this piece of shit.

It's a joke of an OS that is at best fit for starting games, and it shouldn't be abused for anything productive.

Win11 will be forced slowly onto any machine that will accept it. If you meet the prerequisites (go find the exe to check against) and have an internet connection, w11 will find its way on your machine. We can only hope that it doesn't crash and burn on day 1

@Fast-Nop a week of uptime?
What is this sorcery??
I can barely make it through 9-5 anymore without at-least 1 reboot.
I'd pay to have this 7 day uptime feature.

@Fast-Nop I agree for the most part. But I am fine with what I am able to make work. I don't need the added windows 11 shit.

The market is ripe for a non-fucked up option that you don't need to be a tech guy to fix. I am not impressed with Linux at all. But I am not sure the issue is lack of money or just the main stream linux options are not innovating. I dunno.

@C0D4 I dont really have uptime problems with win 10 at work. But its not my main. Ubuntu 18.04 is my main.

@C0D4 Wow and I thought my company desktop was bad. :) I noticed Word fucking up the PDF export for no reason after a week. No markups, all changed accepted, I mean I know the Word problems there.

BUT! having had enough exposure to Windows in my life, I know the number one shot is rebooting and only complaining to IT to fix this shit if rebooting fails, but it did fix the problem.

Now, I reboot all Windows machines daily while I make coffee so that they work to the extent that a Windows machine can be considered working. Which is not much, and it's not even honest work <insert meme>.

@Demolishun windows is my main.
I'm in the same boat as you, *nix just doesn't do it for me as a desktop.
There's something about every DE that has this weird 90s era feeling to it.

@Fast-Nop There's something about having a handful of electron based apps running (let's say about 5) that just sinks a giant hole into ram / cpu / gpu usage to the point moving the mouse is no longer a valid option, and your only option is to reboot.

It doesn't help that the main MS software I need to use daily is electron based 😔

@C0D4 I guess I need to disable TPM or SecureBoot on my machines then. That makes it incompatible.

@C0D4 I'm totally happy with Cinnamon. No weird crap, no desktop revolution, but everything I need, and what I don't need at least doesn't get in my way.

@Fast-Nop This? https://ubuntucinnamon.org/

@Demolishun That might be an option, but I'm with Mint Cinnamon because I don't trust Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu. I very much want someone to watch over any shenanigans Canonical might do, such as with snap.

Mint removed snap and actually bought a powerful Ryzen 9 machine so that they can build Chromium as deb package and don't rely on Ubuntu's snap package.

Also, Mint has a purely Debian based edition, bypassing Ubuntu, as strategic "plan B" in case Canonical should become unbearable.

I also distrust canonical.
Debian for me!

Next distro will probably be Arch or Manjaro.

@Root gentoo?

@iiii More work than I care to put in

@Root fair enough. I would not try it again either

Thanks for mentioning SteamOS. I might try it since I’m using my Windows PC for gaming only now.
Would be nice to finally be able to get rid of this shitty OS.
But I’m afraid the windows games won’t work with SteamOS because its based on Linux, right?

@Lensflare Yes, it is Linux, but I read SteamOS requires specific hardware. So I am going to try mint.

@Lensflare there's a moddleware called Proton which makes many windows games playable on Linux. It's included in Steam on Linux, if I'm not mistaken

@iiii interesting. I’ll check it out.

@thejase

Bill Gates is big into vaccines. He is also big into forcing upgrades on people when they forced Windows 10. It is now looking like Bill Gates is making a shit ton of money from the Covid vaccines. Which in many places in the world is forcing them. I see a pattern.

@Demolishun bill gates had nothing to do with windows since some time ago. He owns Microsoft and that's it. He decides nothing about technical aspects

@iiii He, until recently, was on the board. Which would be strategy. Which would be forced installs.