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johnDoe32138yDamn that is rough. The Prof was probably jealous π I've been in a similar situation, except that I wasn't accused for cheating. The professor used one of my assignments as an example of a good way to approach a solution, and someone else's as a bad example. He kept the assignment names private though so the class didn't know who's they were
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@nicnaknic Nah, she was a super smart programmer, just a bad teacher. That was rude of your teacher, can you imagine how bad the "how not to do it" person must have felt? I probably would have cried. School should be for learning and exploring, not so much critiquing, as students aren't pros and haven't honed their craft. It's fine for a teacher to guide you or give constructive criticism but putting people's work on blast as bad, nameless or not, that's just cold.
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johnDoe32138y@CodingPrincess the Prof talked to us before hand. At least me, probably the other person as well.
He was a super chill guy and would never do something like that to harm a student. -
@CodingPrincess It's a prof, not a teacher. They're supposed to confront you with unmatchable expectations and pure cruelty. At least where I'm from freshmen have the tendency to be cradled by school into precious little porcelain dolls who can't handle frustration. Sometimes, sadly, there is no other way than breaking them at the beginning if you don't wanna waste your time with people who'll never meet the minimum a damned academic should be.
I still remember my physical chemistry profs motivational speec on my first day "65% of you will fail and waste years of their time. The rest will sweat and bleed, work night and day only to get a degree that probably won't even get you a job as a chemists. If anyone is willing to do any less than surrender their whole life for the next decade, don't waste my time and leave", imo the way any course should start. -
arminiae5658yA FEMALE IT prof playing the 'girls-can't-code' card? That's... pretty rough! π
Now, I'm not one to jump in the face of every discriminatory remark against female coders that I've had to deal with while working in this field, but still, other women joining right in is like them hitting the self destruct button just because it's nice, red and shiny.. (Hope that makes sense XD)
I hope she didn't actually say something along those lines, did she? Telling you you must have cheated 'because girl!' ? -
@arminiae She never flat out said that, but I was the only girl in the class (maybe one other) and none of the males were questioned the same way, even those who's work was more by the book than mine. I felt ostracized and honestly think she wasn't expecting me to be able to keep up with the boys. People tend to under estimate me a lot because I'm a girly girl (the teacher was not) and I think that aspect played the biggest role. Whether or not gender truly had to do with it, I don't know, but calling me out like that was not right, I was so embarrassed. I was a straight A student and never in my life had a teacher question my work and integrity.
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xp-bar1188y@CodingPrincess at the same time though, one of the best ways to learn is through constructive feedback and constructive criticism. I'm sure he wasn't malicious about it, code review is good for you
I agree that doing it in front of the class would be super rude, but still, I'm sure he got permission first.
I do agree with @Godisalie 's sentiment, although dude, you comment is kinda harsh lol
But seriously,
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@Godisalie I don't disagree with you that students shouldn't be coddled, but eduction is not a one size fits all thing. A good professor SHOULD make students think outside the box and make them push their limits to see what their full potential is, however there's better ways of doing that than making them feel dumb and sharing their work with the whole class saying this sucks ass don't do it. If that learning method would work for you, awesome, but for me it would have made me want to drop the class or major. Also, you have to realize that people come in to those classes with varying amounts of experience, ranging from noob to seasoned programmer just needing the paper degree. I don't feel College is a fair place to say who's better at what when people haven't worked in the field nor honed their craft yet. NOW, if this was done at my workplace, after college, I wouldn't feel the same. That would be an appropriate place to say hey this person's code is the best, lets do this.
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@CodingPrincess Have you ever worked with people relatively fresh from school, either as a TA or while working during your studies? In my experience they basically expect other people to carry their asses like their teachers did. They need to feel that what worked for them for years isn't working anymore, I was no different. As long as they get motivated they can imagine that they aren't complete shits and stay mediocre. But if they get told every time that their work is not enough they will either get better or drop the thing all together which in the end produces the best results. Sure, it's hard but do you want to work with someone who got through his studies by copy pasting because they had nice profs? Finding the right balance between cruelty and appraisal is hard but if I had a choice I'd take a cruel prof pushing me to improve over a nice one who makes me feel as if I've already got it any day.
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@Godisalie I don't disagree with you at all, but again, there's better ways to do that than put people on blast in front of everyone, but I'm gonna drop this topic now since it wasn't the point of my original post :P
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arminiae5658y@Godisalie I don't think pushing students so they get better results equals embarassing them in front of their peers. There are other ways to motivate without being guilty of coddling anyone.
One reason her rant jumped out at me is that I used to teach at uni. I've caught plenty of cheaters and seen students trying to scrape by doing the bare minimum, but there was never a need to treat them like this. If there was reason to suspect someone of cheating, then that should be handled discretely. If someone's work was subpar, they should be confronted with their impending failure in private. -
@tjscodes Oh, weird. Yea I went to a tech college and that was its own class, along with PHP, CSS, HTML, etc.
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@CodingPrincess Hmm... it might be a stretch to say that gender was the cause of this. I get that the gender card gets you pretty far in this field, but like, really, your prof was a woman. Bad judgement is entirely different from sexism, and claiming that the reason she didn't believe it was your work was because you were a girl isn't exactly what I think is an appropriate response...
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TonyLorens13yIn any country, from my own experience, I know that girls are treated so rudely in IT
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