Computer Science is the only place where stealing is legal.

Not the only place.

@electrineer Government allows itself to: steal, extort, defraud, punish, and kill. (list is not comprehensive) This is done to citizens and enemies. Government doesn't like competition so it restricts your ability to do these things. This is why the people need to hold government accountable and in some instances reform. An unaccountable government is a corrupt totalitarianism. Regardless of the lies they tell you.

I don't think that at all. Stealing IP has always been illegal.

I think what you're referring to is using open source without proper credit.

That's not stealing it, that's just being an asshole.

No it's not

Surely you’ve heard of taxes.

What are your thoughts on Taxes 🤔 Came to say the same thing as Root

it's not stealing if it's shared (as science is supposed to be)

I thought you were talking about CPU stealing

@Root Taxes! We don't need no stinking taxes! hehe

@dejachu I've heard Texas is quite fucked up

@electrineer

Texas was also stolen.

Theft is kind of a funny topic anyway. It starts with defining "property".

Even though I would consider myself ordoliberal/libertarian(ish) and I think capitalism is the "least worst" economical system, there's a bit of a cognitive dissonance when you try to justify property.

Jake the dog creates a nice exposé around that dissonance:

https://youtube.com/watch/...

My house once belonged to Napoleon's soldiers, to a Frisian painter, to Jewish harbor traders, then the Nazis, a British factory worker family, a cocaine gang, then empty, then owned by the municipality, before being auctioned to me.

What is ownership?

Does buying from a thief make ownership unethical?

Is murdering to acquire theft?

Is colonialism theft?

The only true question seems to be:

"who is holding the gun?"

If it's an individual, it's theft.

If it's an army... well... long live the new rulers, may the new laws be in my favor!

it ain't stealing unless the original is gone afterwards.

@ostream so you believe that if a dev spent 5 years developing a new compression and encryption algorithm that they shouldn't own the rights to do what they want with it?

@ostream so you don't mind sharing your git repos with the community so we can use your source without giving you any credit.

Because, "fuck IP".

I think your views on IP rights is a bit juvenile. You kind of come off as a young dev that doesn't know better and is just rebelling against the "system".

IP rights are there to protect you and your work and efforts. They also protect companies and their assets as well.

I'm not saying that the system that administrates IP is flawless, but if we didn't have anything in place the whole world would be more like China.

@sariel Trade shows in China will have 5 companies with same logos, same shirts, same everything. None of them actually represent the company that owns those logos either. So you cannot even tell companies apart.

China also takes source code and creates clone companies when partnered with companies from other countries. Then proceed to take all market share in China itself. Country sponsored crime.

China has the shittiest model for IP. A software dev would go hungry there.

@Demolishun exactly!

Having strong IP laws in place promote fair competition and diversity within products or platforms.

It's not a perfect system, but it's better than no system.

@ostream that's not a problem with IP, that's a problem with the system.

I think you have anger issues... And that's harsh coming from me.

@sariel "Having strong IP laws in place promote fair competition and diversity within products or platforms."

needs more precision.

having _good_ strong IP laws may do so.

the ones we currently have just promote the fat cats at the top making even more money without having to do something.