FUCK THIS SHIT. A fucking maid is paid like idk, $30/hr nowadays. Why the fuck are we eating so much shit for.

I'm moving to some remote fucking place and I'll grow my food instead of constantly begging for raises because a fucking tomato costs $737284883827362294939

MAY CLIMATE CHANGE AND WW3 KILL Y'ALL MFS

misplaced anger. maids deserve dignity, go after corporations and the governments they lobby

@darksideofyay I totally respect maids, they're doing more work than a corporate executive

well, i'd say a literal "fucking maid" is gonna be a bit more expensive, i guess.

@glemiere I'm pretty sure the average executive works many hours more and has way more responsibilities than the average maid...

@PonySlaystation that may be true, but in general, the average maid contributes more to society than the average executive.

@tosensei I don't want to diminish a maid's work, but a good executive is key to a long running company, which provides jobs to lots of people.
I'm not talking about the vastly overpaid executives of fortune 69 companies. Imagine what the world would be like without the careful management of companies by competent execs...
It's always easy to attack those in charge but it's often hard to be a better example in the same position. This is also why by far most political revolutions turn to an even worse shitshow afterwards: People get put into charge who are inexperienced.

"a good executive is key to a long running company"

no.

just a _part_ of it. and compared to "good people who do the actual WORK", a relatively minor part.

a company without managers can go on for a while. a company without workers is dead instantly.

management is just a necessary evil in modern economy - not to increase the productivity or quality _per se_, but to stay competetive. and most people who become managers are utterly incompetent because 1) they do it for their own gain or 2) they have no clue about either management, or whatever it is they're managing. or both.

maids do more impactful tasks though, different skills, fair pay.

@PonySlaystation sit behind a computer all the day. I could do that all my life without any problems.

@PonySlaystation true on paper, in practice I'm pretty sure I can replace most of them by a coin to flip.

@tosensei A company without managers will barely function, if at all for more than 2 weeks.
I'd rather work in a company where somewhat shitty execs keep the business running and somewhat growing than work at a free-spirit no-hierarchy community project where everyone has equal say while in reality some will be micromanaging.
No management will just lead to different not so obvious management.

@tosensei Honest question: If you had no managers but a self regulating community at the workplace, who would get the blame if things turn into shit and bankrupcy needs to be delared?
Does no management mean nobody gets the blame or everybody gets the blame?

@PonySlaystation a company without workers will _instantly_ not work. period.

but management going on strike? that _can_ last for weeks. or months. or go completely unnoticed.

@tosensei I never said anything against your first statement in your last comment, as that would be objectively dumb, so why even bring it up?

Good luck getting anything signed with management on strike. You statement doesn't make much sense.
The very instant something needs to be either signed or confirmed with legal impact, the company would come to a halt.
It's the hard reality. But out "debate" is pointless anyway, as the actual one should be more about why we have too many managers and why seem a lot of them incompetent or lazy.

@tosensei Additionally you didn't try to answer my question about who gets blamed when you have no management.

@PonySlaystation well, before the industrial revolution, a huge part of the work force was needed for agriculture. and nowadays, we just don't have enough menial jobs to put them in, so we've invented middle management.

that's where we stuffed all those paper-pushers who, a few centuries ahead, would've been plough-pushers.

@PonySlaystation buddy, management, more often than not, is affected by serious cases of feodalism.

What this means is they always try to prevent their own bosses from knowing about the fire under them by acting as a gate keeper. If someone eventually finds out about that fire, they almost always blame lower management like team leads. They are masters of scapegoating/not owning their sh*t.

@glemiere yeah, agreed

@tosensei I don't see how a subjective anecdote from history plays a relevance here.

Where is this ?
A maid makes shit here because our economy is fucked