Electron is a plague, MSN in 2009 had far more features than Discord today but was able to run like a champ on Pentium 4 PCs with 1GB of RAM.

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Definitely; have a ++

But… but…. yOu CaN rUn It iN a BrOwSeR! 🥴

Also, MSN allowed you to write your own client, unlike Discord.

we had it good back in the desktop app era. I don't know whose idea was to start building everything in browser containers, but shit was wrong. Granted these items are easier to use, but we had some pretty good results with RAD type developmen back when we were still building desktop applications, even if the languages were somewhat harder to use over the JS stuff we have now a days.

There just ain't no point of comparison between native and browser based

@rantydev thank you 😃

@novasurp having all of your chat in Pidgin was awesome, it’s sad which now most messaging services wouldn’t allow that 😓

We need a framework called Proton that is native. Electron is just too negative...

@AleCx04 maybe learning Java (and Java-FX) or C# (and XAML) took more time but I’d rather spend a little more time studying than trying to understand the horrors written by lazy or poorly trained devs when they abuse the freedom which JS allows or trying to make sense of the 100 tools which constitutes the average modern JS build toolchain and their respective config files.

@DEVil666 100% behind this, also, the entirety of the project's size in terms of file space man, I sometimes have to deal with Node for certain components that we have that are frontend in React. +200mb for a single project just sounds absurd to me. That was not definitely the case when I was doing desktop applications.

My previous employer used Delphi on some products and C#/VB.NET(mostly VB.NET to be honest) and the tooling, build sizes and RAD facilities were just stupid simple and fun to work with.

@AleCx04 the issue isn’t just the size of the JS projects but mostly the fact which even a small project can easily result in having dozens of thousands of files as dependencies and when you want to delete or move that shit you end up with your disk I/O clogged as a WC after an heavy dinner.

@ostream I still wonder how in few years they were able to convince so many people to pay 10$/month for some goddamn stickers. I’d rather keep using standard emojis or discontinue using Discord altogether than paying 10 damn dollars for a laggy chat app.

@zlice as someone told about Java… "Saying that JavaScript is good because it works on all platforms is like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders."

@Demolishun have you tried Proton? If yes how did you found it?

I was curious about it but never took time to look into it

🤡 msn back then needed multiple datacenters. Now it still does need significantly more resources than an electron app

(msn = Microsoft network; windows/msn messenger was a chat client)

Me with Ryzen 9 5900x and 32 GB ram with 3080, it run fine. I don't know why you are having the isshe. /s