Any company that ENFORCES you to have a college degree so you can get hired - is a failed company in my eyes and not worth any of my time.

I would not accept to contribute a thing to that company regardless of the salary i would be paid.

Same goes for all and everyone else: if an open source project were to require a contributor to have a college degree so he can contirbute, is a failed project.

ANYONE and ANYTHING who requires a college degree - has already failed.

Good luck with that. Some places are required by law to have a minimal subset of requirements.

As much as I believe college degrees shouldn’t dictate someone’s abilities, I think stating that the company is a failure if they require a degree is a stretch.

There are so many college graduates out there that no company will have trouble finding a competent developer.

You can’t put a man on the moon with youtube selflearning bozos. Not every domain brainless as web dev also.

@aviophile You can't put a man on the moon with 1-on-150 presentations written and presented by whoever the uni could get. I'd say that YouTube tutorials made by the best on the platform are actually better than your average college lecture. Anyway the best resources are docs (if you want to learn how it works, read how it works), books (match the infinite replicability of YouTube with the quality assurance of academia), experimentation, and the dedicated attention of a personal tutor, which is very expensive.

@aviophile Last year in ARM Assembly we compiled our own slides according to the docs because the lecturer's ones were useless;
- typos in code
- logic errors
- code that just wouldn't compile no matter how much we tried to fix it
- instructions that don't exist in ARM, not even under a different name
- Sentences with no meaning or meaning that directly contradicts another sentence on the same slide; intent to be deduced from the docs because unless you already know what they're trying to say there's no way you can decipher it

This wasn't an exception by the way, I'm bringing it up as an example because from your comment on webdev I expect you think that low level = intellectually challenging

@aviophile I'm eagerly awaiting the third year of my bachelor's, where I might learn the first thing that I didn't already know or don't discover based on the content of the first lecture. Until now, what I got could be losslessly reduced to a keyword list and a pub to meet people.

I only have an associates degree in programming, does that mean I’ll never get hired? All the job postings I see want a bachelors or years of professional experience. Is there any tips you guys can give me for landing a job without a bachelors ?

Either way, it's anyone's right to set whatever minimum requirement they want..

Why care so much? They might have their reasons.

@lbfalvy your thinking methodolgy is broken. You are trying to diss computer science education because you had a bad teacher. Dissing webdev is not equal to claiming low level is intellogent(although it is, but you came to this judgement by a wrong way). And documentation is not the best resource for learning: it is not written for learning, it is for references. Most documentation do not even provide examples.

All in all, finish your school and wait for your critical thinking to develop fully.

@aviophile The ability to interpret text, such as "this wasn't an exception, I'm bringing it up as an example" is one of the skills that aren't required to get a degree.

@aviophile Documentation should include examples, and when one's new in an area and doesn't yet understand text without examples the best choice of tech is whatever has the best docs. A tool with really good docs is one with examples in the docs.

I'm talking out of personal experience, the formative OOPlearning resource for me was MSDN, which derives the intended use of all sorts of STL design patterns from SOLID.

@aviophile I find that as people grow older they develop progressively more emotional blind spots; principles that they sacrificed so much for that they're unwilling to question them - such as the inherent value of a participation certificate from mass higher education - which hinder critical thinking.

@lbfalvy as expected, you continued to fling shit before addressing my points. This is not how I discuss things. I can’t clean up after your shit minugun spree. Multiple posts equal to word salad also do not make an argument

@aviophile I addressed your point about documentation, your point about my example being an isolated case, and responded to your attack on my person.