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hitko31452yNo, they're just inefficient. ORMs are fine for simple relationships, but they don't do any "complex" optimisations a developer would make if they were querying the database directly.
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hitko31452y@daxinator22 No, the Laravel solution is to stick with the inefficient query builder until it becomes enough of a problem to go and write your own SQL.
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@daxinator22 the opposite. ORMs are there to glorify queries, but optimized queries are better done by hand.
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