Warning: American perspective of some shit that happens in America that I do not know if it is the same in other places of the world.

I got a notification from my child's school saying that she has been selected for doing <bs activity> between the hours of 1-3 and that parent cooperation is expected. I called the institution and told them that she would not be participating. They asked me WHY, to which I answered that said schedule does not align with my daily schedule. They continue to press as to WHY she would not make it to which I added in a very harsh tone: "because I am fucking working and my wife is fucking working, what age do you think it is? the 1950s in which I can have some meaningless desk job and pay for a house that would be worth half a mil now a days when my wife stays at home all day and just goes with whatever whim y'all have?"

Needless to say, she is no longer in said activity group, but this seems to be very frequent inside of school systems in the U.S, they really ain't evolved much.

No, wait, they have, we have active shooter trainings now, that shit is semi-new.

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    Is she not in school at that time anyway?
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    Non-american who moved to a fairly similar place here.
    After we put out kids in the local school the institution started pestering us asking for "active engagement" in "dynamic activities".

    I mean, one thing is driving your kids to oboe practice or karate classes or something. That is logistics, kids shouldn't be in charge of their own logistics for safety reasons.
    Going to their once-a-quarter recitals or plays isn't an issue either, that is usually on Saturdays anyway and all you have to do is sit and enjoy.

    But expecting us to go to the school in evenings when our kids aren't even there (and told not to bring them, screw us to find a nurse or something) to just sit there hand-make Halloween decorations?!?
    Come on, if they need money for a party is one thing, but free labour?!?
    They pestered my wife for like a week until she finally said "I charge $$$/h to hear my clients' woes. I expect you to pay the same, and upfront".
    The school aide seem like she had been struck by lightning.
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    We have similar requests in the UK but it’s not expected. Schools are really underfunded here and they rely on parent volunteers and donations for any extra activities.

    The school clearly has no idea about the kids they are teaching if they think everyone is able to attend these things.

    I think the active shooter trainings are terrifying. More so that it’s become normalised to the point where kids need to be prepared what to do if someone tries to shoot them in a place where they’re meant to be safe.
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    The mere fact you need to teach your children how to respond on shootings is a reason to put all politicians that ever were pro uncontrolled gun ownership to death row.

    I'm so happy I don't live in the US of Arse.
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    @NeatNerdPrime When kids get in trouble for defending themselves against bullying, and when the teachers are unable to stop the bullying because they can get sued through child protection services if they as much as touch the bully, the troubled kids will take the matters into their own hands whichever way they can. Banning guns is just a distraction from the real problem that drives the kids into bringing weapons into school in the first place, just like the complaints about video games and music and all other things people use as an excuse for bad parenting and lack of consequences when kids act out. Just look at UK, which is going as far as banning the fucking scissors from schools because banning all other potential weapons still didn't solve the problem of violence.
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    @NeatNerdPrime kids that go Columbine on their school, would still do it despite gun control, with a machete if that's what they've got.

    I'm 100% anti firearms, this shit shouldn't even exist, but the school violence issue would still happen without it

    Maybe parent participation can reduce the stressors causing such violence
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    My little brother used to get picked A LOT and even took a knife to school cuz he said he'd wanted to kick the crap out of the kids beating him.

    Apparently teachers would not stop the beatings, but would suspend him for trying to even the odds.

    My parents weren't really aware of this, they just thought "that's kids, you know?" Maybe that wouldn't even happen if they were around school more.

    So me and some friends got together after one day my lil' bro came home with a swollen ear where those fucks had taken turns slapping him.

    We took some pepper sauce at the cafeteria and tracked those bullies during lunch time. Lined them up, made each eat their share of sauce and told them the first to run would go into the trash can, one did, on got it. My brother was never bothered again (that year).

    Suffice to say that had they ever peeked at my dad's grumpy face, the whole thing would've never had to happen
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    @JsonBoa if you live in a place where it's not safe to let kids walk or cycle to their friends or hobbies, then... you live in a pretty shitty place
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    @electrineer I don't think that's what he meant, I believe it's more about activities in an unfamiliar area where the kids can get lost and don't know how to find help, e.g. if they play an uncommon instrument where they can only take lessons in another part of a large city.
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    Love the disclaimer. So often see stupid studies from the US taken as worldly truth.
    Every school has activities and they try to involve parents but not mandatory. Kids also do not miss out on activities if parents can't join but they do it they don't have permission. Then again logistics don't really matter. Almost everything is walking distance or they rent a bus.

    Also what @UnicornPoo said. I've only seen pistols on cops in real life. Compared to the US gun violence is non existent in the rest of the world. It's sad comical how you people keep insisting on how the gun laws are a good thing.
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    @hjk101 that "compared to the USA gun violence is none existent in the rest of the world" is untrue

    People walk around with shotguns in Honduras, Mexico's got local militias who get free guns from the government.

    And Brazil's... Oh boy, there's kids openly packing heat. Shit, my uncle got shot in the face 10 years ago in the middle of a 2 million people city.
    My grandma 's dad also died from gun violence.
    Even I had big ass guns pointed to my face in Rio de Janeiro, Brasília and São Paulo, and I'm top of the pyramid, imagine those at the bottom
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    @bigmonsterlover Dude, there's been several shootings where I live (last year there was one in a bar ~200m from my workplace), and I live in central Europe, in a country with pretty strict regulations which is even below the EU average for gun-related deaths.

    If people feel safe and well-protected by the system, if authorities do a good job controlling the crime, and if victims get fairly reimbursed, then people don't feel the need to own weapons, simple as that. If you go to a country or a place where that's not the case, there will be more people with guns, regardless of the local gun laws.
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    @hjk101 I've only have experience living in 2 countries for extended periods of time (Lived in South Korea for about 4 years, 10/10 would recommend)

    Two sides of the story, as a Mexican American, I can't even remember of how many times in Mexico I wished I had a weapon, the level of insecurity there, specially living in a major border city is insane. And one cannot account for the number of people living in Mexico as in say Germany, more population = higher levels of control needed, and Mexico just won't cut it. In Mexico I wanted to have guns because I could not count on corrupt officials to take care of the citizens, and the picture of someone getting pulled out of their vehicle and beaten whilst they take said vehicle away is insane.

    The same thing does not happen in the U.S, pros and cons, but I would rather have a weapon and not need it, than need it and not have it. I trust my fellow Americans as much as I trusted my fellow Mexican raza: 0, guns it is
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    @hitko you are going into "A perfect world scenario"

    I *don't* trust my local government, and I *don't* trust my fellow countrymen. The day no corruption and a 100% absolute working police force is established I promise you to agree with you on not needing guns.
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    @AleCx04 I know it's not really a realistic goal, but if we could at least do something to move in that direction instead of running in circles about gun control, the issues regarding guns will start to solve themselves.
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    @AleCx04 did you feel like you needed a gun in South Korea? That's even higher population density.

    It must be difficult to change an environment so that you would feel safe without a gun, especially if people don't even think that there's anything wrong.
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    @electrineer I had a gun in Korea :D and in many occasions, specially when you are patrolling along the DMZ: you do.
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    @hitko hopefully, personally, I do not like the idea of even needing to hurt another human being in that way.
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