My colleague got fired. In my country, you need to work x weeks.

So they told him, his last day is start of June. Then they made an error in their official document... So his last day got prolonged with an other week... Then a different error in the new document.... An other week...

Now he got the news that his last day is prolonged with 2 weeks since he already had holidays planned before he got fired. He of course took his holidays thinking it would have 0 effect. They had the time to check this shit out.

He never got the news before that taking the holidays would again prolong his last day...

His last day was delayed 4 times...
🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

say what? they can do that?... if it's their mistake then they should fix it and he shouldn't be there anyway...wtf

@We3D He got fired in person and the next day, he got the letter with a specific date (6 weeks later). This letter was not valid for legal reasons so they corrected it and he got a new letter the new week. They also removed the date and said 6 weeks from now.

For some reason, this letter was also not legally valid so he got an other one a week later. Since his previous letters were not valid, his "notice" period (or whatever the correct term is) didn't start. It only started from his third letter which was now legally binding....

@wojtek322

Since he had already (in January) planned holidays for June. That now felt in his "notice period" so the law says he has to work for 6 weeks. But he confirmed with HR & the C-level (that fired him). They also confirmed it was 6 weeks from him receiving the letter. Which is for him different with his holiday. So now he has to work 2 weeks more.

The HR person said if he leaves early on his previously last day, he would not be able to get his unemployment benefits. He has no new job aligned.

He got fired for financial reasons and there is not enough work for his seniority (junior). He has 1 year work experience so good luck finding a new job quickly... And he got fired when everyone from college / uni will be graduated.... So it will be very hard for him to land a new job.

Would you rather hire a fresh junior or someone that got fired after 1 year...

At this point, just pay him out for the last 2 weeks... They already caused enough stress on him.

@wojtek322 well, if he was fired for other reasons it would be even harder, but mostly yeah, his situation is not very pleasant...

I'm dismissed for the same reason, but I have some more exp. so in theory it should be easier for me to find a new place to join

What kind of retarded law forces an employee to keep working somewhere after *they* fire them?

I mean, I get it if it's you quitting, since that's outside of the employer's control and hence the notice period.

But when they fire you? Absolute 🤡🤡🤡🤡.

I would just go on my holiday and fuck them over. If they don't like it they can fire m- oh wait 🤔

Maybe there’s a way to prolong this indefinitely in an endless loop so that you keep getting payed because you are still "working", even though you have been fired.

@CoreFusionX I did a similar thing when transitioning from 3D to web dev.

my fav american boss gave me some joomla tasks on friday, last day before my summer vacation. then @ the end of the day he says that the task should be done today. me and a colleague stay about 7 more hours and when I said to him that most probably won't happen today he replied : you can't go home untill you finish it

guess what I did...

that was the reason I was not working anymore there when I got back, but hey at least I got a PSP as a gift ( sent earlier ) ;)

@We3D Sorry to hear that from you...

@CoreFusionX The reason is so that you don't fall without an income. You get legally 1 day off per week to interview.

But going on sick leave & holiday doesn't count towards that period. You'll still have to work 6 weeks actively. No matter if you take 0, 1 or 2 weeks of sick leave/holiday. You'll have to work 6 weeks.

The company can decide to pay you for 6 weeks but not have you come in and not do any work. They'll have to pay for that period. The employee & company can also decide on 3 weeks (let's say, you have a different job already lined up).

The period of 6 weeks also scales up with how long you work for that company.

If you decide to leave yourself, different laws apply.

@wojtek322 it was a long time ago, plus I got back at his dictatorship and he got his revenge multiplied... so don't feel sorry ;}

@wojtek322 also the more you explain your laws, the more I don't wanna work there...

@We3D I probably also do a very bad job explaining it :)

The goal that the law wants to accomplish is that you don't fall without an income after you got fired.

People found a way to exploit it and we ended up with a very botched system :D

@wojtek322 here ( BG ) for comparison you have 2 stay exactly 1 month after the official paper, then the social institutions give you some bucks ( depending on the time you had worked and what not ) till you find the next gig or a certain period time has passed ( also depending on the previous reasons )

@wojtek322

Well, here, the way the state ensures that you are not left without income is both unemployment subsidies (which you are qualified for when laid off or fired without reason), and the severance the company must actually pay you when they lay you off or fire without cause, which scales based on your tenure.

But, under no circumstances, do any of those allow them to force you to work during any extra time from the moment you are fired.

talk about slow death...

@CoreFusionX Why does vacation and sick leave not apply? I thought that PTO is a work day for legal purposes.

Or was it gonna be unpaid leave? I know a lot of devs like to take unpaid leave because overtime is exceedingly common.

@lorentz

Dunno, gotta ask OP.

I was saying that in Spain, the moment you are sacked, that's it. No "stay here for x weeks" bullshit. You walk out the door.

And on top of severance/unemployment, if you had any PTO left, they must pay it to you.

Sick leaves are another story which don't really apply here, but in Spain a company must feel very confident in their reasons to fire someone in sick leave, because they can be sued big time.

@CoreFusionX That's more like it. I love Spanish lang, I just need to learn it first, and I've started it...

@We3D

¡Enhorabuena!

Sabiendo francés no debería ser muy difícil. 😉

@CoreFusionX the thing is I don't know french either ( we communicated in en. )... I also thought that knowing english would be helpful. I'm more or less ok with some of the rules, but still don't know many words...

@We3D

My bad, I thought, from other rants, that you were based on Belgium, so I assumed you knew french. Learning Spanish from English is not the easiest, yeah.

@CoreFusionX yeah, Belgium and Bulgaria kind of look the same ;). and I thought that you thought that I know French b/c I work for such a company ( a few more days ) ;)

Status update....

He had a talk with the HR again and they looked at what is legal possible again and they compromised and his last day is 1 week later instead of 2.

So that is now his 5th change when his last day is :')

I'm sorry might have missed it, but why was he fired again? From what I understood, only one year of experience couldn't they just train his weaknesses and then re-evaluate?