@EDWCode I completely agree. TBH, we don't want to keep the client (unless they change referent) after this project.

Truth to be told, I think the guy though we could be bullied to do some free work because of certain names involved, and accepted our project proposal because of that. Probably has a lot of pressure himself.... Still, he sucks at this. Big time. I guess that's why no company ever hires him twice (you just need to read his LinkedIn profile and send a couple of messages to find out...).

At least we're getting paid well enough for a moderate amount of work.

Doesn't Parasoft test code quality, and not the functionalities? I'm honestly asking

@EDWCode The client provided us both testing and production environments, that's the sad part!

And yes, if we wanted to we could wipe the testing and would not be held responsible due to contractual terms... But honestly, we don't want to stir the pot if possible

@EDWCode The client has acces to a technical preview.... Which he actually started using for production. We found out when he told us we couldn't wipe the db because it did not contain test data. Apparently, Mr. technical referent PhD told our client it was live already. So... Now I devel locally on my machine, run some tests, then it's straight to production!

...And yes, they are paying for a real production environment they will never use.

@achehab S2 to S5 are actually there.
@alexbrooklyn client said it didn't care and wouldn't oay to fix it, so our management said to ignore the issue... And yes, I can laugh about all of this :p

@hubiruchi ideally that's true, but you can't manage what you don't understand.... not without messing things up for the ones you're managing, at least

IMHO a dev's career ends when his knowledge becomes obsolete (unless he know cobol). I've met several "developers" about 28-35 who are literally one-trick ponies. Learned to do that one thing once and think it was enough... A great example is this guy who loves Drupal 7 and thinks it'll be used forever, and still refuses to learn how to write classes in php because "you don't need classes if you do things the Drupal way". *ahem* anyways....

@irene i hate to be the bringer of bad news, but i equally hate white lies... This is a field where you constantly have to learn new things. Different languages, different architectures, different paradigms, different approaches... If you don't, you become obsolete really fast. And, as humans, it's harder to learn when we don't find it entertaining or engaging. And if you stop learning, it becomes harder to start again. Can't afford to keep still at all... Unless you have a really good idea and the means to sell it for a nice sum

@Root finally! I'll miss your rants about your boss, but... Yay you! I hope you'll find a better job soon enough! I'm quite sure everyone here wouls gladly help to spread the word too :p

Out of curiosity, can you afford some days of relax before job hunting? You definetly need to unwind after all that!

Holocaust, noun, 1. a sacrifice that is completely burned to ashes 2. A near or complete annihilation of a group of animals or people, whether by deliberate agency or by natural agency

Not an insult nor a political statement without the right context.

This sounds so much like that master/slave thing in python all over again...

@netikras Just saying, but... You are sort of too optimistic. Or better, you trust companies too much.

It's not that rare to see young devs with years of experienxe in the OS community (all verified via github and such) being offered "internships" where they have the "opportunity to learn" what they have just shown to be proficient with. Because, hey! Most of the times, only experience in "real companies" is considered experience. I've met some guys who have been put straight on the code, with almost no training at all, and were more than capable to do the right job...

Of course, not every company is like that, but it does happen quite often. Sometimes they do end up getting free work for months, not even hiring someone in the end.

I understand we all have to start somewhere, but having to take up even just 2 unpaid internships in a row is not viable for everyone..

I've actually seen the last one for a demo. The mic for voice input broke at the last minute, so we had a staff member typing what the user was saying. It was hard to keep a straight face.

....What? Where in Italy? ......Are they looking for more devs? :o

Lucky! You get yo for a new generation of programmers! I wish you the best!

As for your question... I guess having known from the beginning what KISS and DRY meant would have been great. I mean, every teacher explains how to code, but I've never seen one explaining the best practices... Those are hard to learn later on imho.

...And wait, that annoying kid is paying a private course just to be annoying? Wow. Please, teach him deltree /y :<

I wish you all the luck possible. Get out of there and watch him grovel.

@irene So? The cake being edible wasn't in the specifics. Besides, the deadline for the cake delivery has been moved to right now. So... Let's heat some flour with a lighter, if it doesn't explode we'll put it in a nice box and send it to the client right away!

@irene It's prefectly doable in a big oven, if we're talking about spherical cakes in a vacuun :)

@dufferz It's sort of too late thought... :<

@irene But you can't bake a big cake in a volcano D:

@Stuxnet We live in an age where every idiot with a keyboard can access the internet and spread his own rablings to every other smartphone. Plus, we have an excessive amout of guillable idiots who are ready to believe everything they read.

We would just need to set up a wis/int check for every access to the internet (or to earn the right to live past the age oglf 18), and the problem would be solved...

@irene screw ovens. We have volcanoes for that!

@irene But the snowflakes are starting to become so many... It may as well turn into an ice age >.>

@irene That's undoubtly true generally, but it was about greediness, personal gain and such. Stuff that can be sort of predicted and worked around, especially in OS environments... Because there was a common goal to develop something useful.

But THIS... This is madness. The common goal shifted from developing software to advocating lunacy (while the development has been demoted to a by-product).

I just want the 90s back. Fewer people on the net, no smartphones and barely java :<

Just create a custom archiso with wicd-patched (AUR) installed... Ncurses gui for wireless cards!

Electron shouldn't be considered a solution for multiplatform needs anymore than Wine or VmWare imho.
It just results in bloated apps, and gives developers the idea it'a fine to be lazy... Even worse, it gives managers the idea it's better not to waste time on a good product while you can have a shitty one faster.

It's great for demos, PoCs and such, but not for the real thing. I mean, you may just as well ship your product within a minimal linux VM if you really don't care about developing a multiplatform solution.

@irene I mean we're at the point where can't trust in the common sense of others at all. A vague "don't be assholes" remark results in disturbed people who feel threatened/offended by everything to speak up and start a fire over every little thing they don't like. It's useless (and sort of impossible) to write a CoC which delineates every single scenario or which mimics decent common sense, and even so such people would still feel offended by something. Just... WTF.

@irene @JKyll Well great. This is why we can't have nice things.

@Null0x90 Truth to be told, the CoC version on that website looks almost nice. It seems to be advocating a sort meritocracy where the top guys shouldn't behave like assholes and simply go on insulting everyone, no matter how much good code they commit... It also says they should keep such behaviour within the project environment, not in their everyday life.

...Did I read it wrong? Or do those people have no idea of what they actually wrote??

I don't get it. If Linux is such a hellish white patriarchy, why not just fork it? I mean, to try such a coup, these sjw must be a lot and quite versed in programming.

...If not, why are we even letting them force their own idiotic views? This is supposed to be a meritocratic system. This is a farse.

@Condor It looks like btrfs has made some real progress since the last timw I've looked at it XD I sort of remember it being the little step-brother of zfs, feature wise. Not bad :o

And no wonder you want it under Windows XD

May I ask why btrfs? I mean... I thought its biggest pro was the easy resizeability within LVM

@Fast-Nop The license is for the car UI and it's recommended use, though. Laws, commands, occasional hiccups, and most average situations. It's not really different than a training session for a given software. Try taking that away.

On the topic about car being dangerous... There are dangerous uses of the most common softwares, which is mostly in the hands of average people. They are different kind of dangers, but they both end up killing people in worst case scenarios.

...Besides. I think it's a waste of time to develop a "perfect UI". If you really want the user not to think about anything but what he has to do, it means even the slightest hiccup becomes blocking. Fixing the UI would take much more than fixing the logic itself. Also, I doubt an UI which is obvious to everyone could ever be achieved. Not without having your user to actually think at what they are doing. Anyways...

@bittersweet I'm 100% with you. But i also wish the advanced mode wasn't for a niche... If there was something actually stimulating the user to learn why advanced mode isn't just black magic :<