We use log4net for almost a decade now and it is terrible, but I might have finally cinvinced our main architect to switch to Serilog. We are now slowly rewriting to .net core so now is the best time to do it. As for log agregator we use Graylog with elasticsearch for some time now and are quite happy with it.

I've lost faith in some people when I've seen pull request in our automation with something like

+ set -gx EDITOR nano
+ alias vi nano
- set -gx EDITOR vim
- alias vi vim

from my windows oriented colleague :-)

This would have been pushed to all linux servers via Ansible. Not on my watch!

@SortOfTested it never occured to me I could use rxjs outside of angular :-D need to try it out in some project. Thanks for an idea :-)

@SortOfTested hmm, Angular world, or plain RxJs?

Oh my, wait till you get to some strange pip issues and spend days solving it :-)
Even if I also love python, package manager can drive me insane (at least we have —user now which lowers the pain a bit)

Maybe inconsistency? Even after years still some things are just cumbersome with async/await (or you sometimes have to resort for callbacks or explicit Promises)

Deno looks promising with its top level async/await

I think that new version of Node also supports it now, or was it only in REPL?

@SortOfTested :-) that is actually nuget I ended up using.
But comparing it to e.g. https://click.palletsprojects.com/e... it still feels like not enough. But problem also might be I work with Python for 10 years and with .net just 1 and a half.

@Oktokolo Nah, I wouldn't say that it is getting fixed, just that they are not targeted with racism per se.
Extremely high percentage of roma people just waste everything we throw at them unfortunately.
They got completely new flat for free, it is destroyed in 3 years. They received a completely new city block, completely destroyed in 30 years.
If they receive money from government (I've seen them receive 3x the pay of cashier) and they put it to gambling and to alcohol/drugs.
They send children to school, but often they do not want to learn at all.

So no, problem is not getting fixed, bot Slovak people are out of ideas what to do. There are programs to integrate them, but if they don't want to, you can throw in billions and they go to waste.

Thus I strongly disagree with "racism targeted at roma people" notion as that is simply not true.
If so, by individuals, but that is everywhere.

@Oktokolo you’ve heard, or actually learned about it a bit. As there is tons of organizations/governement funding that are helping them. They are receiving new houses/flats for free. Schools and lunches for free, money from government. So if they are somehow targetted, wouldn’t say its negative. So you’ve heard wrong. My daughter is in a class of cca 25 children out of which 20 are from roma community.

I in general don't have problem with this changes because of inclusiveness. Don't really care as I come from Slovakia where we did not have black slaves. (if anything else we've been oppressed for a very long time, but no one here cares anymore)

However from point of automation this a little bit terrifies me.
So now we will need to change thousands of scripts that rely on master/slave and whitelist/blacklist? What about software/automation we have no control of. Will we be locked out of new linux kernels, distributions, databases, clustering soft?
I've seen already used like 5 different versions for whitelist/blacklist alone and now the same is happening for master/slave.
So about how many different options will we need to think when writing our automation.

/sigh

Well, guess positive is that it might be more work for system admins/automation people, which might even bring some money.

@dontbeevil I like Uno s well, but I think it still lacks the linux support.

@Xoka in that case there is probably nothink better than electron for you specifically, maybe Proton Native but not sure how mature it is. Everything else either doesn’t support all platforms or requires an SDK installed, or requires significant learning.

Java/Kotlin: requires jdk and IDE, writting java without IDE is just nope.
C#: requires .net core SDK. Visual studio is not necessary, probably you can do with vscode.
Flutter: requires SDK, I think desktop support is still limitted though.
Qt with whatever language (i like python here): requires QT installed.
Go: the GUI story with Go is sad, very sad indeed, no real mature framework.
Rust: don’t know about rust gui much, but here significant learning is a factor.

Has anyone tried .net core + avalonia? They claim their last version is production ready. I have one WPF app I wish to move crossplatform and am also stuck on what lang/framework to choose.

This is a whole new level of "I've seen everything now!"