I shut down my 5 azure vms and i am still getting billed??? WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT. THIS DOESNT EXIST ON AWS. WHY IS BILL GATES SUCH A CHILD RAPER AND FUCKS CHILDREN IN THE EPSTEIN ISLAND

please don't blame other people for your inability to read and understand the terms of service

Infrastructure that exists is in use regardless of it running or not.

@tosensei To be fair, the TOS are usually designed as cost trap. That's how the cloud makes money.

@Fast-Nop to be _actually_ fair: everybody knows that it basically boils down to "we got you by the balls"

Nothing teaches you cloud cost better than the bill.

@tosensei ok how am i supposed to preserve my settings and vms when i no longer need to use them and i created them just for a testing playground not a real project?

What if i work on this playground on work days and not use it on weekends? Why am i supposed to keep paying when i dont use it and it shut down during weeknd? Thsts bullshit

@b2plane you shut it down... but do you _delete the stored data?_ no. you're still using storage space. and the resources you need to start the machines are still provisioned.

at least that's what i would guess happens in the payment plan you chose.

also: is the amount of extra money you pay even worth a fraction of the quality of life you waste by whining about it?

If you shut them down you also need to deallocate them. You still get billed for maybe public IPs and for storage.

This is the same on AWS. What are you talking about?

In general as long as you have any kind of resources (compute, storage, networking, IP, backups, services, whatever) allocated to you, you'll be billed for it. That's how...all of them work.

@tosensei @KDSBest @RememberMe @mansur85 how do i use vms on azure for testing during business days, and deallocate them during weekends completely so i dont get billed, since im not working on them during weekends, and then continue using them where i left off next monday?

@b2plane have you tried reading the manual? or asking a search engine? or... switching to a different payment model? or - ANYTHING?

also: the only smart move about cloud hosting is to stay away from it as far as possible.

@tosensei notice how you also cant answer the question because you also dont know. And if you do know and say its impossible then why are these cloud providers so glorified? Why should i pay just for testing minimum out of minimum, environment that im gonna delete in a few hours or days, not even a real world project? That sounds absurd and ridiculously unworkable. How do i learn if i have to pay to learn? Why can't i just test stuff for learning purposes

For example all im doing is learning ansible using linux commands, writing custom bash scripts and thats it. Ansible on control vm 1 manages other 4 node vms. All vms are hosted on azure. In the process of learning ansible i have to pay bill gates the child fucker my money. Fuck no

@b2plane You definitely can script those things. I think some years back I used some kind of "azure automation" (?), but don't quote me on that.

Storage can still be rather costly depending on type & size, but it shouldn't be much for some simple/small VMs.

BTW with some Microsoft subscriptions (Visual Studio Enterprise IIRC) you get free credit on Azure every month. With that you can run a few VMs 24/7 for free.

@b2plane Save the state (container and volumes etc if using docker) locally when you're done for the week and restore when you get back? These all appear on searches and have nothing to do with AWS or Azure.

Stop using a cloud provider. Start using local solution for learning, use vagrant.

@b2plane

"because you don't know" - exactly. because i do not use any cloud environment - except those that a dumb, overly rich enterprise customer pays for, so i don't care about billing.

"why are these cloud providers so glorified"

because they got loads of marketing money.

"why should i pay" - because you use resources. also: their ARE free tiers for exactly this.

also, if you're learning how to handle kubernetes, for example, just setup a local cluster.

and if it's so terrible: why do you WANT to learn it?

@mansur85 oh, go troll somewhere else. have you tried hooking up with @alexanderr?

@mansur85 if you wanna go the religion route:

your "god", however you wanna call him/her/it MADE people the way they are. so that's how they should be. case closed.

also: what got any of this to do with cloud services?

@tosensei its my job to use azure in the 9-5 office i have no choice

@b2plane then let "the office" pay and stop whining about it.