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@DylanG Did Microsoft announce something to trigger this?
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@Qaldim Actually, not this time. I just started planning a Xamarin project, so I looked into the documentation, and apparently the UWP/Desktop docs are gone. I spent months learning C# and .NET only to find it is losing its usefulness when that could be prevented. Microsoft fans don't want another IBM, and I gotta rant once in awhile, because they are pushing me closer and closer to using Linux as my main OS despite all the time I put into work on Windows
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uwp docs are here
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/...
xamarin.forms 3.0 and xaml standard 1.0 (.net standard 2.0 is already here) are coming, to share even more code and UI between ios, android, uwp and soon mac os and linux
https://blogs.windows.com/buildinga...
https://visualstudiomagazine.com/ar...
anyway I agree they should put more effort and marketing on UWP, starting from their own apps, platforms and technologies ... and nope we don't want MS sink at all, it's the best develop in VS, C# (and UWP) are millions light years ahead of other IDEs, languages and platforms, there is no match...ah wait here blame on MS is cool -
@Artemix I misread, I thought you were comparing c/c++ performance with c#
- languages: I worked with: c/c++, java, php, javascript, typescript, c# ... and for me c# is the best
- IDE: I worked with: netbeans, sublime, atom, vscode, (I checked android studio and xcode), phpstorm ... and visual studio for me is the best (still if I miss 10 second to start VS and load a project, at the end of the day I'll be much more productive)
- platform: they did a really good job to share code between many different platform and languages (UWP is amazing, runs literally everywhere: iot, phone, tablet, pc, xbox, hololens, surface hub on x86/x64 and ARM) with a minimum effort to tweak eventually the UI
my 2 cents, enjoy your job and tools, because I love mine with these tools, and I'd never change for something else that can make it less easy and pleasant -
@dontbeevil The issue isn't the regular UWP docs. I've read them. But in a XAMARIN project, cross-platform shared code must be tailored slightly differently since parts of it must work on different platforms, which could cause issues if it were plain UWP. The main cause of the rant wasn't necessarily the platform itself. It's that Microsoft hyped us up for YEARS, than left it to die, just like Windows Mobile, Band, Groove, and other services that had a lot going for them. This was deliberate. Instead of fixing issues and opening new opportunities for developers, Nadella decided to "Hit Refresh", which ultimately doomed the developers that cared for Microsoft's products more than Microsoft. It's gotta stop.
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@DylanG yeah unfortunately I know and I totally agree as I said... Hope nadella wille be fired asap
Made my day 😂😂
Apple rejected my app, because they throught there was a frickin Windows phone on my loading screen.
How inse...
This made me laugh
I like Xamarin, but they treat Windows like crap. What is more ironic? EVERYTHING Microsoft creates or sells treats their own platform like crap! Skype on my Android has been updated constantly while Skype on PC absolutely sucks. Every developer tools like Visual Studio don't target Windows apps as much. You spend YEARS hyping us up for the Universal Windows Platform, then toss it to the side and give away Android apps. What's worse is that all of that was preventable. They could easily improve the UWP and build an ecosystem around it, but nope. They kick their fanbase, and every other end user involved in the platform, to the curb. Microsoft, nobody trusts you anymore! I've been a fan since July 29th, 2015. I owned a Windows Phone. I own Mixed Reality headset. My Android has every one of your services on it. Why? Because I spend day after day hoping for your reception. But while you are busy "Hitting Refresh", thousands, if not millions, are being ticked off by how we enjoyed the Windows platform more than you did... Get your head in the game! Your developers hang in the balance.
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