I thought any fledgling dev could become a good one with enough team guidance, frequent discussion on ideas and reasoning with seniors, experience, and work variety

But one I know is proving they don't have the knack.

I really wanted to believe anyone could be a good dev if they tried hard enough but this one is just...

They've dragging us down.
Not paid enough to make it my problem to raise it with management. I've tried to help them grow but I've never seen such slow growth despite the different learning/teaching styles *we've* done to improve their capabilities (the entire team)

I dread working with them and I'm not alone apparently

We tell kids they can become whatever they want and society wants us to think we are all equal, but It's a lie and certain people are going to be better at certain things. Don't stay in the matrix

A good soldier doesn't always make a good captain or the other way around. Use their abilities to the best possible extent but within their capacity. Relativize. Going through the same situation right now so just sharing what works best for me.

@Hazarth I think it is true, actually. But the key aspect is “want”. I suspect most people do not want anything in particular, other than the standard instant gratification stuff. If your “want” is greater than your “too much work, fuck that”, you will most likely be fine for most situations.
The truth is that most people “want” something as long as they don’t have to lift a finger. So they end up doing nothing. “I want to be a programmer! But I have no interest in any of its intricacies, I dislike studying, and I just want quick cash easily!” Is probably very common.

@ars1 Im not sure about that ever since I met not one, but two people that say they really like programing yet they really sucked at it. I've spent enough time with both in uni (as in years) and seen almost no improvement. Then they were people that had 0 knowledge when they joined but you could really see how things just click for them and they were pretty good devs within a year or two. I personally think It's about thinking patterns. Some brains are simply better at some things than others. Whether It's nature or nurture Im not sure yet. But by a certain age if you're not good at something it seems you just never will no matter how much you want it. Artists would call these people "ngmi" or "never gonna make it". People that draw and practice daily, yet never seem to improve. Years and years of similar quality of work. For some people some things will just never "click" but they might be great in other things, if only they chose the right career path

I want to know how this shit works...up to a point. There are some things in programming that don't interest me at all. I guess I am utilitarian.

@jestdotty so the gal that wrote the book of gamifying your life was really spot on. I prob need to read it again.