why is outlook so fking painfull... designing a newsletter. thunderbird: shows everything fine. Outlook: brakes design complelty.
Design was made with Microsofts own Publisher, which claims to be usable for creating newsletters...
Then outlook cannot send out massmails like publisher can...
what the fuck is wrong with them! You are developed by the same fking company! How can one tool show something one way and another display it completly differently... whyyyy

(since I am not the webadmin I cannot use a fancy newsletter designer tool and integrate it into our website since we first would need to talk with the entire project about it...)

Outlook should not be used to send massmail, it would be a disaster if it was possible.

@Linux used thunderbird in the end. Outlook couldn't import hrml properly already... so sad

(Apologies for being 2 weeks late here, I wish I could say that it went into the feed but it really didn't :'))
@Linux This is where we sometimes have to abstract mail as in mailservers dealing with massive amounts of mail from clients and designers making up their newsletter I think :P
But yeah, if sending mass mail would ever become possible straight from Outlook, the spam that such a functionality would generate, given its accessibility.. unimaginable!

@Condor but it is possible via Microsoft Publisher, which in the background uses Outlook for it (since you have to set up Outlook for Publisher to send mails) so... it is sort of possible?

@hasu setting up Outlook for Publisher.. too much work already for average spammers I guess :P
Well, I don't think that Microsoft engineers are fools either to allow it to be used for things other than newsletters and other legit things.. then again, they did that JMRP shit already instead of using RBL. Perhaps they set some headers like Precedence: bulk or something similar?
(just been reading a bit on that header btw, and it seems like it's a discouraged header.. so probably they went with that :P)

@Condor let's hope so. It takes like a minute tho.

I've got no idea yet about headers and indepth Newsletter stuff... so I have no clue about headers yet... never did anything even remotely related to webpages or newsletters till like 2 weeks ago, and oh suprise! Now I have to manage the stupid newsletter....

I didn't sign up for this T_T dem sacrifices for staying in this group.... goddamit

@hasu well, if you're interested.. emails are just text files really, so you can open them in a text editor and see all its headers :)
Regarding that whole newsletter stuff though.. personally I'd call a PM or boss or whatever that can't properly assign people really bad. If there's employees out there that are actually employed to do this work, they should be assigned to do it! Such a thing would be like asking me (who's a sysadmin and passionately hates webdesign) to develop their front page.. no!

(edit: just looked on my own mailers btw and it looks like even Logwatch uses this Precedence header.. that's how much RFC's are worth these days I guess ._.)

@Condor well. I'm a student so I have to do whatever. T_T The thing is, that within this group, for that project I am assigned to, we are 3 people only. We have project partners at other locations, but here we are 3. We have a graphics designer who has more experience in this field then I do, but she kind of just fked up and won't be here anymore pretty soon, so I have to take over some of her work.

I'm trying to get our project partners - which are responsible for the goddamn website - on board with this to help me just get the proper tools set up.

So at this moment, there is no one really to do this ^^' we are looking for new people though so maybe, if I'm lucky enough...