How's everyone who migrated from GitHub to GitLab doing today? Enjoy your code being hosted on Google - who's definitely worse than Microsoft - Cloud servers! :)

I honestly don't get why people are so furious about Microsoft and GitHub, I mean their repositories will be accessible for everybody anyways.
That's the purpose of OpenSource. D:

90% we're just trying to be trendy. And I'm standing firm with that belief.

These people want MS to change their ways and when MS does change, they hide in the corners crying with their tin foil hats on.

Gitlab is not owned by Google and you can host your own instance if you want to. You can stay where you want to stay, I don't care.

Yup I'm currently looking at gitlab alternatives.

@gamingfail123 (@Stuxnet I thought you said that I was one of the few with a valid opinion on the ms/gh thing?)

Microsoft is integrated within the biggest mass surveillance network/engine ever created. Github joining them made them integrated as well (or soon at least) and the fact that the github bosses sold out to that made me lose all my trust in github.

Also, for a lot of people, github was a place where they could build software which sometimes went against the/as alternative to the software some big corps like Microsoft with hardly any ethics make.

A corp without many ethics buying it is a huge no-go (morally/ethically) for those people.

Not saying you have to agree with those points (first part is a fact) but they can be very valid for some people.

@linuxxx Your argument was valid but the rants were all people whining and not providing information on why they disliked it.

You and Frodo are the only ones off the top of my head with legit arguments

I'm really curious. Why you consider Google worse then Microsoft?

@On-fire I'll let @Linuxxx give you a run down if he's got time.

@On-fire @Stuxnet Microsoft's core business began with making malware (because that's what I call closed source operation systems) and only later got into the game of exploiting personal information.

Googles business from the beginning was exploiting personal information of a lot of people of whom a lot didn't fully realize what they were and still are giving away.

If your core business is fucking over people, tracking them to the most sneaky extends and trying to fight your way out of legal battles with about zero ethics, fuck you.

And that last part is Google. (Facebook also)

@linuxxx I half agree with you. Their core is collecting data in order to deliver ads, but, I don't think it's fair to say it's "fucking over people", as that would require some form of material harm. Frankly, I don't think them knowing the pages that you have visited, and using that to serve you ads is harmful. If you disagree, I would love to hear why.

"legal battles with about zero ethics" Blame the legal system for being messed up, but don't blame companies for taking advantage of it. Like accountants, lawyers must use the rules to give their clients the best result...

Google has many different divisions and they don't all have the same buisness model. GCP's buisness model is providing services for money. Often times different divisions of a company prove to be far different from the other divisions. For example, when the Xbox came out, they were doing things WAY better then the rest of MS put together. I really haven't seen a reason not to use GCP any more then Azure...

@linuxxx Hopefully that made sense. I had to cut it down a lot, so I hope it didn't seem curt or rude, I'm just really trying to understand where you are coming from, and explain what I see.

@On-fire the fact that they had a choice between shutting down or bring integrated within worlds largest mass surveillance program and their choice to go for the latter (some people will argue that that's not a choice but yes, it is) is what I call fucking over all users.

Because by getting integrated, everything any user does is lively sent to the surveillance agency running this program.

I don't mind if you're alright with that and it happens but have you been able to make an educated choice? If you got all facts (about the ways it tracks you and is integrated within surveillance networks), would you still submit all that data?

Legal battles - of course I blame the companies for taking advantage of the system. They should care about the privacy and security of their fucking users and not be fighting legal battles to try and keep collecting as much data as possible.

Look, I'm fine with a company existing when you can *easily* stay out of that companies databases (if I don't want my data to be fed into their databases, I should kinda have the right not to have that happening without having to fucking actively protect myself) but in the case of Google, this isn't possible without literally having to protect yourself.

@linuxxx "integrated within...surveillance program" I haven't heard anything like that from any reputable sources, I would love to see some.

"would you still submit all that data?" Yes, as long as it can be turned off when I want. People generally don't care who knows whether they prefer Del Monte or Green Giant green beans...

"care about the privacy and security" Yes and no. They should care about them as long as the customers do. The problem is that while people value security, they don't value privacy... Companies should care about their bottom line most, it's the only real control we have of them. We make them care about things by voting with our money, it's not their fault if the people voting are idiots...

"Look, I'm fine with a company existing when you can *easily* stay out of that companies databases" This is a fair point, especially because they don't respect "Do Not Track" settings... Hopefully they will implement it soon, not that I am holding my breath on that...

@linuxxx And if you think that the majority of people actually care about their privacy, think again. All of the outrage towards Facebook about privacy issues has been driven by a vocal minority. All you have to do is look at people's social media accounts and cultural trends to see that they don't value privacy... They share intimate details of their life on Facebook, Instagram pictures of their daily life, and send nudes to friends and strangers alike on Snapchat... Whether we like it, or agree with it or not, people don't value privacy. And if they did, this never would have become an issue in the first place... #JustSayin

@On-fire A lot of people do value their privacy but can't make educated decisions because they're not aware of the entire picture. Source: my experience with a lot of people.

@linuxxx Yeah, sure they all SAY that they care...

But actions are far more revealing about things like this then what someone says. Frankly, if people REALLY cared, they would take the time to read privacy policies so that they can make an informed decision. By and large the information is actually available, it's often even spoon fed to people with a link to the TOS and Privacy Policies, a check box that say they affirmed that they read them, and they can't even continue until they state that they read them. Yet they just mindlessly check the box, or click the button, without reading either...

So, maybe I'm just really jaded, but given that I don't know a single person that bothers to read those before agreeing to them, I have a REALLY hard time believing that even 10% of people actually truly give a damn about their privacy... They say they care, but their actions betray them...

@On-fire Haha I find it funny that you say that second sentence without asking what those experiences were :).

Its mostly when people choose Chrome and Google and I simply give them both the pros and cons of both Google and chrome.

Nearly all people I've had with this one went for Firefox and Duckduckgo after seeing both sides. They also mostly tell me that they had no idea about the come.

@linuxxx I think that goes to prove my point quite nicely... They only kind-of, sort-of, care about their privacy, but not really.

Yeah, if you force people to make a choice by listing the pros and cons then they will likely choose the option that gives them more privacy. But only if the options are comparable in convenience, functionality, and design...

If you told them they should use Links instead of Chrome, I can 100% guarantee that not one of them would have switched... Same with Linux, since it isn't as convenient with supported applications, few people will actually switch to it for their daily driver...

When things are roughly equivalent, privacy will of course always win. But the vast majority of people, will sellout their privacy for convenience, every time. Which is exactly why they don't read privacy policies, and it's exactly why I say they don't REALLY care, it's one of their lowest priorities when making decisions...

Let me paraphrase this rant:

"Hay everyone who actually tried not to get screwed over: Are you enjoying also getting screwed over? :) That's what you get for trying! -- sincerely, someone who doesn't try to care because it's too much work"