Fuck you Mozilla. You have killed the major unique selling point of FF, that being the add-ons, and replaced them with web extensions that will never even come close. Not enough with that, now you're killing the add-on servers to also kick FF forks into their balls. You stupid bunch of wankers have a history of pretending to know better what your users want, and your plummeting market share shows how much you suck at it.
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/...

That all may be true, I used to use FF many years ago and no longer do now.

Their browser product aside I want to give props for the work they do in web standards and web platform documentation 😘

What. This has been known knowledge for a long time.. A LONG TIME. This isn't news.

IIRC web extensions are faster, easier and safer.

"Er mer gerd, this completely free product is being improved by the leading group of open web standards AND documentation. Fuck em"

You ever think to yourself that maybe, you might be that "bunch of wankers"?

@nate I think they will soon lose whatever influence on web standards they have left. Nobody listens to a comittee that doesn't represent actual users.

I think they will stagger along as undead zombie like Yahoo for some time, and that is a good thing because it keeps these assholes from ruining other stuff. Though I wouldn't mind if these oxygen wasters were picked up by Microsoft where it doesn't matter anymore.

@D--M I think *all* browsers (and the community in general) are benefiting from the web standards input and documentation. Usually the teams are different, I know they are for Google and Safari but I can't talk for Moz.

@D--M free shit is still shit, you know. And all the add-on devs who have invested their time and money, well yeah fuck them all. Web extensions offer less functionality and will always do so, not to mention that Mozilla failed to be on time for the APIs and then even has been ignorant.

Shitting on the users and devs who made FF popular in the first place, that's Mozilla, and yes, I call them wankers.

@Fast-Nop Only if they go under as an organisation. I'm sure MS (and maybe others including Google) said they'd stop their efforts in documenting web platform features favouring Mozilla's Developer Network.

I really want to separate their browser product from their web standards efforts as I feel they are separate, and quite probably different teams. I'll confess I'm not sure one would survive without the other.

I wholeheartedly agree. This is major bullshit and a legit Microsoft level slap in the face to the developers thar worked hard to make those add ons.

Fuck it man, every company has its dumbfuck moments. Sadly it seems that Mozilla did not learn from the shit that Microsoft had pulled in the past.

MS can survive this kind of fuckery. Mozilla or shit man even Google can't.

This is going to hurt.

I doubt that this is the reason for FF low market share. I didn't even know that something was being changed, since I don't use any heavy extensions, just ad blocking and privacy stuff. I'm assuming that this is also true for most users or can you point me to some incredibly popular extension that can't be ported to Web Extensions?

@Fast-Nop "not to mention that Mozilla failed to be on time for the APIs"

whoa keep going giving shit to Mozilla without context about how and why they do their things in the way they do it.

Chrome is always the first to implement whatever API they think is good for the web for two reasons:

1. They have the money to pay the amount of Engineers to be first one to implement whatever thing they feel they want to.
2. They don't give a damm cent about other browsers or the web in general.

They push APIs that are not standards because they have the largest part of the market, so they think they can decide whatever is good for the entire web.

So, if took for Mozilla a year or two implement the Web Extensions API that's because that time was the necessary to create an standard for all the browsers. Not because they didn't want to do it before or just didn't know how to do it.

If you disagree with them for not shipping things at the same speed of -only ego- companies, that's fine. However, Mozilla is one of the few companies that still cares about whatever is going to be ship to web, is the same a fair for all.

Even Apple is good compared to Google when it comes to push things to the web and their attitude to the users.

Add-ons include web extensions iirc.

Plugins are depreciation almost everywhere. And web extensions are safer and safer. An add-on can be anything, a random dictionary, language pack, etc. An extension is controlled.

This is a good decision imo and any add-ons you liked but are afraid of losing will eventually be ported in.

Mozilla actually cares about developers and the community, which is evident in all their other work.

@gioyik Mozilla has been late to define and implement the new APIs, and then even ignored dev requests. Where they havn't been late is breaking existing functionality - that's something Mozilla always manages to do on time. Because it makes them grin whenever they can fuck their users.

And the next shit is in the making with DNS over https via Cloudflare so that one single company can record all DNS requests. The next privacy desaster, nothing learnt from the Cliqz fuckup.

@hashedram Add-ons are a completely different game from web extensions because web extensions are much more restricted. Mozilla really thinks that a Chrome clone will cut the cake.

@Fast-Nop I know. The restriction is what makes it safer.

@hashedram Of course, and the safest would be to not even have extensions, or for that matter no browser at all - which is where Mozilla is heading.

@Fast-Nop you don't seem to understand how a Web API specification is made and what it takes to implement it.

That's probably the main reason why people disagree and rage about something, because they don't understand how it works.

@gioyik implementing new stuff is one thing, and there can be delays, like Mozilla experienced. But that is no reason to a) simply stick to the overall time schedule and just load the time pressure on third party devs, b) to whom Mozilla already put much work with Electrolysis, c) which is even made obsolete now, d) Firefox without add-ons (only web extensions) has lost its unique selling point, and e) Mozilla even tries to hamper Firefox forks that still do support add-ons.

That's asshole behaviour on so many levels that's it's just typical for Mozilla.

@Fast-Nop overstatement

Honestly though they announced the new add-on thingy (deprecating the old ones) I think like a year or more before actually doing it so I think people had enough time.

I'm actually loving it more since the quantum release!