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NarkoCat
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What's your opinion on e-voting?

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  • 8
    when anonymity, security and an method to proof that the own vote is counted is present: yes
  • 5
    I like this video. It explains the problem very well IMO:

    https://youtube.com/watch/...
  • 1
    @stop But does that a system, that does exactly that, exists?
  • 1
    @NarkoCat its possible, but anomity and the proof that only one person votes clashes with anonymity. i think about something like an certificate that signs the vote and an code that is send with the information about the voting.
  • 3
    @stop there is also Homomorphic encryption that allows to check that someone voted without having to decipher the encrypted data.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    However, from what I understood, the real problem is that only few people (i.e. us devs) understands how it works and why it's safe. Go explain to your grandmother that she cannot count the votes anymore because she's "not technical enough", but that she can trust us. That's not how democracy should work.

    Paper voting will stay because anyone can do the whole process, from organizing the vote to counting them. E-voting is not, and will not until a loooong time.
  • 5
    It prevents me from drawing a big pair of balls on my ballot paper because none of my countrys parties are worth voting for.
  • 4
    Okay hear.me.out.
    E voting but on blockchain and AI
  • 1
    it's a good idea, but we're talking about the government here. they'll find some way to fuck it up.
  • 0
    I think it's a good idea. Soon my town's local governing parties will have to be chosen again here, and luckily they have an online voting system in place. That way there's no need to leave the home and wait for hours just to get into some shitty school building that's been temporarily repurposed for voting. Especially here in Belgium where it's required by law to vote (so when there's no e-voting, EVERYONE goes to those fucking shitholes), I think that voting on paper is a ridiculously inefficient thing that should be abandoned already. I wonder how well the government would've implemented the e-voting systems though. It's the first time for me to vote, so no idea about that.. probably I can't expect too much of it. But a man can dream, right?
  • 1
    @Condor I believe your argument is probably the worst in favor of the e-voting : "I'm lazy so I want to vote online".

    For commercial activities, it makes a lot of sense, but with civilian duty, I believe this is not a good reason.
  • 2
    @react-guy so reclaiming time to do useful work instead of waiting for hours in a row is lazy nowadays?
  • 1
    evoting is a good idea at it's core, and it can be done very well.

    Unfortunately big countries (US, UK, Canada, EU, etc) make it awful. Because of laws, capitalism, and bureaucracy, it's near impossible to do evoting securely. Which is why voting machines in the US is such a widely discussed and attacked topic among hackers and security enthusiasts.
  • 1
    @deadPix3l these concerns are good. i mean, if an company that develops an software to transmit data for the news can easily hacked, how should we know if evoting has the same flaws.
  • 0
    @stop yea definitely. I know defcon this year voting machines were a big deal, and the record for first interaction to compromise was a mere 12 minutes. Actual machines that are actually used for real presidential elections in several states. 12 minutes. Yikes!
  • 5
    As long as you can't guarantee 100% security with the voting systems I'd say keep it on paper.
  • 5
    @linuxxx This.

    Build a secure voting system, give me a month, and I will break it in a hundred ways.

    I've written about this in the past and how it is impossible to do. (It's in my contents somewhere). Paper voting is likewise not immune to tampering, but the physical nature does significantly increase the effort required to interfere.
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