Safari is such an underrated browser.

It's damn beautiful with the new Mojave dark mode and the developer tools are excellent.

The performance is identical to Chrome and the memory consumption is much smaller.

I seriously encourage everyone on macOS to give it a try.

P.S: This is coming from a person who has been using Chrome since its release.

I dig it and agree but there are a lot of rossman fanboys here that will automatically attack anything apple

@AleCx04 Hating on Apple is especially trendy.

Is it open source, or at least free? If not, then it's just as evil as chrome

I believe a lot of it, if not all, is open source

@dontPanic Why does everything have to be open source?

I also really like the new dark theme with Safari. I would honestly be using it right now if it natively supported FIDO U2F devices like Chrome and Firefox currently do. Guess it's just a matter of time...

@zacg The rendering engine, Webkit, is open source. It's also used by Chrome.

@feroza i wonder that too. It has obvious benefits, that much is true. But if I release a tool and I just don't want people to fuck with my codebase then so be it.

Give stallman a heart attack nd shit.

@Charon92 Webkit is developed and open sourced by Apple. If anything is running a modified version, that would be Chrome.

https://webkit.org

@Charon92 How did they improve it? By making it consume twice as much resources?

We don't like your sort round 'ere

Kidding. I may give it a shot!

@Charon92 Funny thing to say, since Safari has excellent JS support (100% of the ES5/ES6 specification) and better tail call optimisation than both Chrome, Firefox and Edge.

http://kangax.github.io/compat-tabl...

Performance is as chrome in a other system.

Safari is the fastest in osX

I only use Chrome because I'm familiar with it's
developer tools, still my main browser is safari

But safari doesn't have easy user switching like chrome.. That's the deal breaker for me.

I'm still on firefox. I never got the chrome hype anyway .-.

I've tried Firefox and it's a good browser, but I personally don't like the UI.

@irene Not really, every browser has a distinctive design.

@feroza you can modify it a lot with addons and such. Did you try?

@feroza not saying it does, just saying it's evil

@dontPanic This. Nothing 'personal' against safari but if it's not open source, i wouldn't trust it a single bit.

@feroza If you can tell me how to analyze a piece of closed source software for security vulnerabilities and/or backdoors (analyzing the source code), please let me know!

Once I developed website and added animation which works on all browsers good but then safari comes in and say fuck

That webkit animation was freezing in safari without error/reason.

That website isn't avail now but in short fuck safari.

@linuxxx

Chrome isn't open source either.

I'm pretty sure the software engineers at Apple are competent enough to not leave backdoors and security vulnerabilities. Same goes for Google.

@linuxxx The majority of the software in the world is not open source, by only using open source software you're limiting yourself to a small niche.

@linuxxx can you personally analyze the ones that are open though? Not to question your powers of code observation, but I have noticed that the great majority of open source advocates that I know do not nave the necessary skills to tell me what the actual code of a large project(like a web browser would be) does. Most just rely on others to say what's good and what is not.

@feroza Yeah and I don't trust Chrome a single bit (but that's also due to other reasons).

They leave quite some and that's publicly viewable on a website (same goes for linux/windows/many other softwares).

Example of a vulnerability report (macos):
An issue was discovered in certain Apple products. macOS before 10.13.4 is affected. The issue involves the "IOFireWireFamily" component. It allows attackers to execute arbitrary code in a privileged context or cause a denial of service (memory corruption) via a crafted app.

The entire list of vulns matching the 'macos' keyword (also including apps *for* macos): https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/...

You can search for any keyword though :)

@feroza About the limiting, yes, I am. And I've got a damn good reason for that. (i do use some but try to avoid it as much as possible)

@AleCx04 Not yet. Right now I depend on other people to do this because I don't have the time nor skills.

But, it's high on my bucket list and as soon as I get time/knowledge, I'll start :)

To add to that, using that as an argument (what you said) as for why open source wouldn't matter is bad imo.

@irene The difference is that with one, you only have someone's word, with the second, you have their word + actual proof.

@linuxxx i did not say it was an argument about open source being bad or not mattering, and I am not against open source at all, I actually never said anything negative about open source. I love open source, but I can read the code and make sense from it.

I merely remarked on people using it saying its good even though they can't verify it themselves.

That to me is funny, not necessarily bad, but funny.

@linuxxx As if open source projects have never had security vulnerabilities?

@linuxxx The fact that the code of open source software is public makes it much easier to find and exploit existing vulnerabilities, when compared to proprietary software.

@feroza If you read that comment, you would have seen that I mentioned at least one open source project which has had vulnerabilities.

That is true and that's the awesome thing. Many people review it and with open source you can find vulnerabilities more easily which makes that you can patch them faster!

Also, how'd I verify whether a closed source application/software product contains a backdoor?

@linuxxx Honestly, that's a pretty weak argument, since I doubt you'll be going through the codebase of every single project you use, which may be in the hundreds of thousands of LOC.

There's also other factors, that you are not taking into consideration.

Here's some resources that you will find educational, on the topic of open source security.

"I’m harvesting credit card numbers and passwords from your site. Here’s how."

https://hackernoon.com/im-harvestin...

"Developers as a malware distribution device"

https://youtube.com/watch/...

@irene It's a hilarious title, but it couldn't be any more true.

Ha you kidding right? Try to animate svgs. That fucker is so slow that i had to remove the 90% of the animations from a site ( and make a special js for this shit because it rendering them with full throttle also when they are not on the visible part of the page...
So maybe it performs good on apple homepage but theese dumb flaws make it the same like IE in general ( what is also a shit-vomit cocktail) for dev and any purpose.

Also you need to do weird tricks ( like add cursor:pointer) to elements to make them tappable on iphone... and on and on.. it is the derp of the browsers.

It is not great as you think OP.