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I have multiple but one of my biggest ones:

Build an entire suite of services which can replace the popular Google/microsoft/facebook (etc) services.

Of course: privacy respecting, preferrably everything possible end-to-end encrypted.

Because fuck mass surveillance and those companies and if I can do anything to fuck them (quite literally) and help people getting to user friendly alternatives, I'll do the best I can.

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    Haha same as mine more or less. We might need to work together
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    I feel a very similar desire
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    Imho we need an even better connection in the community to prevent someone rebuilding the same thing again because the original thing lacks one feature...
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    Except so many “consumers” find value in the exact privacy-violating “services” Google/Microsoft offer. And those services can’t really exist fully without tracking tons of personal info.
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    @stackodev To both those things: that doesn't make it right.
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    @stackodev which is why they have no right to exist
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    I always wonder... How much computational power had google to run its search engine 20 years ago?
    Today I can't see any self hosted search engine, if not for meta search engines.
    One day I found yaci, a distributed search engine, I tried it, but it needs a lot of work, or maybe a bigger user base.
    I want to run the search-engine locally! How much network does it consume? How much memory?
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    @linuxxx count me in.
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    would love to make my contribution.
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    I would love to be part of this!
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    @mngr searx.me?
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    @linuxxx it is a metasearch engine! If I understood correctly it uses other search engines to perform a search.
    I am thinking about the real search engine
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    Can I sign up?
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    @mngr Elasticsearch. Lucene.
    Regarding commercial ones - IDOL.
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    Would love to participate!
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    @linuxxx dies nit make it right, but people are not looking for right, they are looking for popular and easy.

    While I agree with creating such services (which already exist), the problem will always be getting people to use them.
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    @mundo03 @linuxxx not to sound incredibly naive or anything but I might have stumbled onto a way to make it work. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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    @mundo03 I can try, I haven't successfully come up with a solid, easy to explain "pitch" yet though. Basically you would wrap the concept of a social/business network, open source community, and physical makerspace into one big cooperative marketing and support network.

    Not entirely unheard of, but the difference is that it stays decentralized and the network itself is set up in local cells.

    Affiliated developers would work and educate the local cells aka communities from the makerspaces along side the area's aspiring digital marketers, who take the apps the local devs have either created or come to know/work with via the cooperative network and market them to the area's general public.

    The general idea is to put a knowledgeable team on the ground to coordinate with local communities giving them the ability to identify with the network, rather than at best through a video chat.
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    It would require a solid, no bullshit system for profit sharing, but doing so would allow for aspiring creators to work on other projects to fund their own, eliminating the need for a vc and the makerspaces could be set up as local nonprofits to keep the any other physical expenses down. You could even house servers in the makerspaces and set up a national inhouse network
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    @M1sf3t well really if every ActivityPub provider would implement the OAuth Protocol we would be pretty close atleast for the social media aspect.
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    @PerfectAsshole yea I didn't think it was such an inconceivable concept, just no one seems to be working at it. Its just an assumption but I would guess by the time someone is on the level to really start thinking on that large of a scale, they've relocated to a well populated area where the software market is doing good. I think maybe I just come at all this from a weird angle because honestly I feel like I barely know what the fuck is going on. Just from the physical service sector though, if I would have known about Zapier 2 years ago, I'd have been cut the cost auto and equipment repair down in my hometown. Technically I guess I did still, just that it started off so slow I decided to take on some work from friends in a neighboring city. Word of mouth spread and I ended up spread to thin before I had everything set up to take on "members". There was also the conflict-of-interest tight rope I was having to walk doing the repairs and the development, thats when I
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    I started looking into freelancing and started considering just some local boards in general. For some reason ppl 'round here are absolutely terrified of the internet, but let them see some b.s. deal on craigslist and watch them jump. Even with my website, horrible page or not, just going by the analytics I might have got 20 clicks per month I advertised and I locally targeted everything, bumped the ad prices well over the competition, and moderately put some effort into the seo. Word of mouth, to my personal line, I was getting at least 4 or 5 calls a week from the get go.
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    @M1sf3t yeah nobody is working at it in a unified fashion which is hurting everything in the long run. I've been putting thought into it in my spare time but all i have so far into the idea is that it needs to use ActivityPub, JWT and OpenID Connect where users can pick where they want their data to live and can easily move it if they want to. There's still the problem of each service having to register to the provider service but i haven't looked real far into it yet. I figure if a whole ecosystem gets built developers can spread the word enough where people will take the switch.
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    @PerfectAsshole yea affiliated developers in the area could spread the word to marketers they've worked with marketer could spread the word about the the network to the general user. Make the user & basic business profile free, just require so many "verified" ratings before their page goes into the active business listing with basic local search optimization preset. Sell ads but remove them from the feed, handle user/app correspondence via a separate feed rather than leaving them to suffer through relentless waves of emails featuring products they "may-like" just to find that tiny little update they needed etc etc. If I'm not mistaken you could even have the local devs customize apps and integrations per community request, giving users even more of a "hometown" feel. business and user pages could be in the "freemium" model, upgraded profiles with more features would keep frontend guys busy and they're backend expenses wouldn't be near as high having a base to start w/
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    @M1sf3t that's the general idea. I haven't thought that much about ads at the moment though. All i know about it for sure is that the server they are reading from would be supplying ads so they could be localized if an area is hosting a federated server
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    @PerfectAsshole convenient, non intrusive advertising principle would be key to selling the idea, especially with the current state of things. Between robocalls and email schemes, people are sick of giving their contact info out to businesses because not only does it bite them in the ass, but it's damn near impossible to determine the source of a leak when they do give them out. There's a dentist office here thats a good illustration. I booked an appointment there 8 months ago without having the first thought to pay attention to their privacy policy. 6 months later not am I getting automated call to confirm my next appointment, the second I declined they started blowing my inbox up at a rate that I don't think even your sleaziest marketers would try. Not only that but I seem to have seen an increase in sales calls to my personal line and I've got a voice number that I generally give out to sketchy policies so it would seem they may have had something to do with it.
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    On the one hand thats both my fault for booking with them and not reading the fine print and theirs for not educating themselves on the products they're using, on the other the situation could've been avoided entirely had they not felt the need to sign on with a such a sketchy crm in the first place and simply been able to afford a local professional that knows the area. Local marketers either have to charge entirely too much and set up their own tools or sign up with the sketchy crm's themselves just to compete. If users were to get an alternate number for such things not only would they have a number to burn without having to notify their personal contacts but line could have a compiled block list to help mediate automated sales calls. Combine that with a general update and service posting board, you can cut down on businesses needs to make cold calls. You'd just have to restrict the businesses to certain stipulations to verify their a legitimate active service
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    @M1sf3t Well the problem with implementing advertising is that since it would be built with a ActivityPub system is that anybody can write an alternative client that would block the ads. which this already happens with youtube alternative clients but in this case there would be 4 or 5 alternatives cause of the opensource nature. So while it would be possible to have some kind of ad-revenue chances are you wouldn't make as much as you would normally.
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    @PerfectAsshole but how much ad revenue do you make with current affiliated marketing anyway? What I'm proposing is more I have a product, I put it on the network, developer/marketing teams, take my app and draw up some plans to cater the app to their specific community and when it sells there, they get a significant portion of the purchase. In return when they have a product, they present it to the network, I take it with my team and cater it to my local community and we get the same return. I'm not talking about just a few banner ads listed on other product pages, rather developers actually take the package, modify it to fit the specific community needs, then marketers write up informative posts and post them on the communities "new product" feed. Then from there it goes to a general community market. As the initial developer your still running the risk of getting cuttout but your doing the same thing by open-sourcing in the first place.
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    @M1sf3t @PerfectAsshole why do you think noone has worked on this?
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    @mundo03 no idea, I wouldn't have thought it was possible a couple of years ago, but with all the collaborative systems available now, idk, scale? 🤷🏻‍♂️
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    it would take a min to start making a living as a pure independent developer, but either your could work for someone else Or you could work independent at something else. Thats the way my repair service is set up, seasoned mechanics can make plenty off of technical repairs, but guys that are there to change oil have to stay busy. But they're not stuck doing just that, I've got price scales for everything from detailing to part running. Even working out a way for them to assist other mechanics that need a hand for an hour or two
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    @mundo03 mostly cause I've been looking for awhile. ActivityPub services are not working together cause it doesn't exist.
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