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Idk where you're from, but programming jobs are not poorly paid....
in my state, they typically starts at $10k above the state average. Average programming job is twice the average salary and can reach three times the average salary. -
mrmr926yI must admit, when I see posts like this I do feel very lucky to be living somehwere where a good developer makes a very good salary.
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wangonya1556ySome companies may be paying developers poorly but I don’t think low pay is necessarily “industry standard”. Great ambitions though 😀
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rant1ng44626yIn my opinion a senior developer making $120,000 a year should be making a million a year with his own software.
I have 20 year background of marketing along with my programming experience and I found the combination to be quite powerful. I've seen that a lot of people here are missing the essential marketing knowledge to help them take their skills to that next level. Sure we can't all be entrepreneurs, but as a programmer you can automate anything including an entire business. You can create basically a machine that makes money you can code it right?
I'm not the best programmer in the world I just happened to really really love it. I'm still learning but I've learned a lot in the past two or three years since I decided to dedicate myself 100% to programming.
I am however a damn good marketer. And my experience reading a lot of posts about wanting to write your own software that you maintain yourself lots of people have that dream that very few fulfill it. I work in a market where I see High School dropouts making millions of dollars yet you the programmer the highly skilled technical and intelligent person somehow is happy with a 60 120 k a year job. That's fine jobs careers can be filling. But if you're burning need is to write your own code, have your own timedo what you want and save the world, there's no reason why you can't do it. You just need information, and his information and experience that I have and will happily share. Not going to plug anything here but I'm writing a book specifically about this, and I find myself really enjoying it. Out of all the projects I have done this will probably be the most fulfilling. -
benj8496y@rant1ng
I absolutely agree with you and posts like this are inspiring! I guess you refer to ambition beyond compensation as some of the commenter assumed.
While good compensation is good, just take a look at devRant for an idea of how many miserable and mistreated devs are out there that just settle not knowing that they can build whatever the heck they want, heck, drive your previous keel of employer out of business with your new awesome product!! -
rant1ng44626y@Stuxnet yes, compared to other jobs, true. Not compared to, well.. Read my long ass post.
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benj8496y@rant1ng I've been trying to look into marketing but don't know where to look!
Recently bough a book called "how to pitch anything" because I know that I can code anything I put my head to, but from there to selling that seems like an impossible abyss... Maybe I don't have the right personality for selling myself and my products? Maybe I just don't know how nor how to learn how? Or maybe I'm just overthinking the whole thing... -
@rant1ng Im not a big economics expert, but lmao a million a year is utter bullshit.
If that happens, where the fuck is the money coming from? You can't just pull that stuff out your ass and hand it out.
In many cases, clients hire the company to make shit. Clients then pay the company for said shit.
If the Sr alone is making a million, then you're gonna have to charge a LOT to cover just his salary.
Long story short, not that possible or realistic at all.
Might I suggest you pick up a copy of this?
https://bit.ly/2DBCkxc -
rant1ng44626y@benj This
This is the reason I must write this book. I can break down all this marketing I know into something a programmer would understand. I'm going to make my own framework, except instead of computer code intended for computers, it will be psychological code intended for humans.
It is an impossible abyss. I had to cross it, and then keep going. It took a lonnng time to wrap my head around a lot of core key concepts in marketing.
The most relevant here is, is it evil? LOL, Yes, and no. Anyway.. it's not about a personality, introverted, extraverted, whatever, it's just lack of knowledge on your part.
I don't like books like that because of the implication of trying to manipulate one into buying something that won't be helpful to them or is otherwise crap.
That book (maybe) or ones like it is what turns coders off from embracing what marketing could do for especially them.
I recommend the amazing formula by Marlon Sanders. That might get you started. -
rant1ng44626y@Stuxnet We can agree to disagree :)
I live in and breathe in a world of entrepreneurialsm. We come from different places.
But I definitely respect you. Thanks for the links and the perspective different from my own.
But yes, from an economical standpoint, not everyone can get rich, but everyone can at least learn how to better get more of what they want in life with some basic entrepreneurial knowledge.
I am actually going to buy that book. -
@rant1ng Was being heavily sarcastic lol.
But there's other methods of getting money outside of work that doesn't include fucking up the economy tons point where you wind up making everything shit 🤷🏻♂️
Have a nice day though. -
rant1ng44626yI know, I was too.
But economics is never a bad thing to b one up on.
anyway.. um, you too have a nice day? was that sarcastic? or...
cuz i got nothing but love for you man, read your stuff all the time -
nystl1306yin st louis missouri, there seem to be plenty of job openings but it's just hard to get anywhere with them. i ended up just freelancing and writing my own software. oh and plus the job openings are not very well paid
somebody on the interwebs once said it's a lot less secure to have a job than to work for yourself, which now makes sense to me.
my issue with working @ a company was that politics > skill
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