You are a developer and you will only log time you're actually working. This means you will not be logging time spent in meetings, chasing for specs, requirement clarifications and similar. You must log 8 hours each day.

^^-- wtf?!? Is anyone else working in similar conditions?

  • 10
    Time to look for a new employer
  • 3
    Tell your manager to get some good IO psychologists
  • 10
    wtf? This can't be legal.
    Option 1)
    Ignore this BS and log your time at work.

    Option 2)
    Don't go to meetings, don't write specs etc. This doesn't seem to count as work (because you are not allowed to log time for such activities).
  • 4
    @thoxx this. Quit going to meetings
  • 0
    An acquaintant of mine told me this is the environment he's working in. He's been 'lended' to another company by his employee. The employee is allright, but the client's terms startled me. I was wondering whether that's a thing and anyone else is working under similar conditions. If not I'll recommend the guy to consider blowing the whistle
  • 1
    @netikras not legal here (Texas)
  • 3
    I was in this situation in one occasion. I talked with my boss (because the PM was doing whatever the client asked). He understand quickly (he was a developer when young), and instruct the PM to fix the mess he caused.
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    Your time starts at the start of the day, it ends 8 hours later.
    If you have a day of meetings, then you had a 8 hour day of meetings.

    Just log a blanket 8 hour day “I did stuff”
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    Where are you from? Nickname suggests Lithuania, where I've personally been in such jobs myself.

    The issue is - people are used yo getting paid by the quantity of things they produce and not by the hours. A lot of jobs relies on efficiency rather that value and this is why developers are paid for their main job - writing code, rather than anything that surrounds it.

    I've personally got out of this situation when I stated: if I don't get paid for meetings, I'm not attending them and as you know - this is the place where we discuss our goals. If I don't go there, I have no tasks to complete and therefore your project will stall and I'll leave to a next company where they have jobs for me and will pay me for staying 8 hours there no matter what I do.

    Ps. Paying per line written or just coding time is illegal in most countries as you held a person without payment.
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    If I didn't get paid for all the work I do that is not programming in my developer position, then I was out the door so fast, it broke Mach 3.
  • 0
    No1 can seriously programm 8 hours a day. Its way to taxing mentally
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    All those are "working"
  • 2
    Thanks to @hell, I just saw this post. My previous company (again) is a fucking nightmare in this. We are required to input a breakdown of actual hours, meaning you can't even put 8 hours even if you worked the entire time. You have to put 1 hour for this testing, 30 minutes for review of this shit, 2 hours development for this other shit, etc.

    The tracking itself is time consuming but we also have to log it in a single spreadsheet in SVN. We have 50+ developers and we have to "queue" via group chat to know whose turn it is to update. We have several spreadsheets too. Imagine the fuckery. All of these are not considered "chargeable" hours.

    We are already required to render 9 hours for the project, that's 10 hours including the break. Yes, it's a fucking hell hole. The managers there are the lowest form of puss on Earth. The fuck, is there life after birth?
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    @rutee07 what the fuuuuuuuck!!! *insert generic high pitch scream*

    The time log seems okayish but on a spreadsheet with SVN?!? What a fucking nightmare.

    I'm glad you got out of that shit hole 🤘
  • 2
    @hell I can write a book of all the torments in that company. Lol.
  • 1
    @rutee07 please do, consider one copy sold
  • 1
    @hell I'll think about it. I do want to release all the rage from the past. Maybe make a devRant series since rants are rare these days.
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