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In a few years time there will be regions where consumer privacy is more important than businesses abusing privacy to earn more money (Europe) and regions where privacy is non existing, consumer data managed by companies (the US) and regions where privacy is non existent and consumer data managed by the government (China)

Wait the European union cares about user privacy? I must have misunderstood all the rants here abotu GPDR, Article x ...etc.

I'm not sure why anyone thinks they are in private mode when they go online, you can reduce data gathering or ability to easily identify you, but in the end things will lead back to you!

To be 100% private stay away from internet or do what linuxxx does (and linux, and frodoswaggins) I admire their actions to reduce (if not eliminate) data collection on their hardware

Awesome! I am and will remain a turanota user but awesome regardless!

@linuxxx I couldn't thank you more for telling me about it, I really like their service

@gitpush GDPR is amazing for consumers, annoying for companies and a shithole for devs.

As consumer I love the GDPR so much as I love my mother.
As dev I like the puzzles it gives me but hate that its way to complicated.

@Codex404 I honestly don't know I don't live in EU, but I've seen many rant that services are blocked in their region after that rule went to action. but I suppose all companies fixed their policies.

But I also heard that governments are now pushing to ability to access private data at any given time (of course under certain conditions) but I'm not sure, I saw it in a rant I might have understood it wrong

@gitpush hmm I have not heard of services shutting down because of it.

And to be honest I wouldnt want to use a service that cannot tell me what they do with my data.

@Codex404 I agree with you but I always end up with one question:
What makes me (the user) sure they are not using my data? What proof can they give? I'm not accusing them of lying I just wonder

@gitpush the risk of getting fined 10% of a company their global year income (not profit) is a good reason to not lie about it. A company like Tesla would be out of business. And for companies like google or MS, their stakeholders will get less money because of it so heads will roll.

There is never a 100% guarantee something will be good unless self hosted and opensource.

it seems that my sarcasm did'nt really come throu :P

Personally, I dont want to see governmental funding on projects like this because history has proven that is always comes with a bad deal - such as backdoors.

@Linux hmmm, as a person working for a company which has received funding by the EU quite a few times I know that these fundings dont come with strings attached other than actually doing what you said when requested.

@Codex404 I've seen several companies who IP filtered their webserver to avoid EU users. The Washington Post vaguely comes to mind... There's others whom I can't recall, but yes there's definitely companies who failed to comply with GDPR and chose to close down their websites to EU users instead.

I cannot agree with those companies for doing such a thing rather than making sure that their business model is right. But operating a website which is.. add-on infested beyond my control, I can't help but think.. the GDPR is a pain in the ass for anyone who didn't take privacy into account in the first place, and most importantly handled most data internally and focused on not handling data at all wherever possible. That add-on infested site is none of that, and it's a royal pain in the ass to manage with GDPR around :/

@Condor thats why I said its a Pain In The Ass for developers.

Ive done two projects since GDPR. First one was something where we needed to scan passports and visas to validate a passenger travelling to another country (airport software).

My current project is ticketing for commercial soccer. We have to validate a persons identity before them buying tickets by letting them upload an identity card.

The amount of personal data we have to store temporarily is immense. Both projects existed before GDPR and it's a hellhole but as consumer I am still happy with it.

Still going with tutanota

@Codex404

Alright, I trust your judgement