How interested would people be in a CoC that was defined in a much more moderate way, providing the documented clarity that one provides, but without the SJW excentricities?

I have long thought about writing one with a strong foundation in individualism

(And an explicit note saying that when you try to advocate for any collectivist cancer you get irrevocably banned from contributing)

@12bitfloat the plan was something like that. I'm not sure any specific category should be listed. But that easily falls under other broad categories like how project spaces aren't political forums, how you can freely have those discussions, but just not in the project space.

@pk76 Banning political stuff outright is probably a smart move to bypass all of this

You just have to be wary of the fact that SJWs like to pull a "it's not political it's human rights" or "it's my identity" bullshit to force their political opinions into things that are explicitely non-political

I mean look at SE. StackOverflow is definitely not a political forum yet they force their political opinions on us via their CoC

@12bitfloat I think the easy rebuttal is "you're absolutely right, let's have that discussion on Discord/Slack/Reddit/whatever"

@pk76 But that just validates them. Then you cannot say "no I fundamentally disagree with you. please fuck off"

That's why I think a CoC would have to explicitely prohibit collectivist bullshit from creeping in.
Also not perfect because then the CoC is pretty political but how else can you stop that

@12bitfloat SE nonsense with pronouns could easily be resolved by simply suggestion avoiding pronouns entirely and using the persons username. You don't have to know my pronouns to tag me @pk76 in a non-offensive way. "@pk76 made that commit" is more clear than "he made that commit" anyways.

@12bitfloat yes you absolutely can still say that. You just hop over to whatever communication channel is being used and call them socialist snowflakes and go back to work.

@pk76 Not compelling speech is definitely a good first step. I agree with you: Just use their name, or just "they" or the most fitting pronouns but try to respect their preferred pronouns if possible

@pk76 But why not just put that directly into the CoC? That just opens the door

The slippery slope here is that a group of eternally offended people are making you struggle to define what should NOT be done or discussed. The result is a code of conduct that is still dictated by triggered safe space snowflakes. If the coc is anything other than "act with common courtesy" then it's worthless. There is no good reason for any other rules. Those other rules are just cudgels used by the perpetually offended to exert power over others, to demean you, and to exalt themselves. Everyone loses when you submit to having "thou shalt nots" in your coc that limit speech or action.

What kind of eccentricities do you specifically mean?

I'm someone who's a lot more pro-than-con SJW, so perhaps such a CoC wouldn't be in my interest, but I might be able to provide input still.

@monkeyboy Kinda but I think prohibiting specific principles is the key. I mean they can talk about whatever all day aslong as it's clear that no bullshit will ever be implemented