I need to know, supposing where you work has an empty remote position, will your company hire devs from Iran?

Coming from the EU - highly unlikely. Relatively cheap Eastern European countries like Bulgaria are still within the EU which makes things easy. If outside the EU, there's India with low prices anyway.

The US sanctions on Iran mean that you have to be extremely careful not to use any US components, not even in payment. On top of that, Iran's internet connection may be cut at any time, which makes remote work unreliable.

There's no reason to take all that hassle, even for EU based companies. For US based companies, don't even think about it.

Sorry for the bad news.

Maybe look into studying or working in some European university. I bet it's easier to get hired in companies too after that.

@Fast-Nop thanks, and it's ok. I kinda expected this. Just wanted to see the views of CEOs and recruiters on it.

@electrineer I just finished creating an app with kotlin-dagger-rxjava-mvvm... (High level android things) for around 300$. That's a month of pay for a skilled (if i say so myself) android developer. I simply cant afford it. But thanks for info.

@115105109 On the other hand, medical doctors with Iranian background are really common in the EU, so there must be a way. From what I see, Iranian culture appreciates education a lot - the only country in that region which is on a par is, somewhat ironically, Israel.

Hardly. My company is EU-based, dipping its feets into AMER's waters, not even looking to the east. Dealing with west is generally easier than east.

@Fast-Nop hahaha never thought of it that way.
I think relocating for fulltime work is a different. I hear about a lot of people getting a contact and then move to EU using that.
I wanted to do the same for Canada but I realised that I had to have a college degree to be considered for a Visa, but I don't have any. Do you happen to know the rules about this in your country?

@netikras not even looking at countries with skilled coders with lower pay that have no weird governments?

@115105109 Unfortunately not, and German companies are conservative in their degree requirements with regard to self-taught hires. Also, a so-called "blue card" is only available for qualified and well-paid jobs, which are difficult to get even for a native without degree.

But you could study e.g. CS in Germany and just stay afterwards. We don't have super expensive uni tuitions like in the US.

https://daad-iran.org/en/...
https://daad-iran.org/en/...

@115105109 nope.. We had indirect subcontractors [through one of our clients] from india but we got rid of them. Work quality was below bearable. Cultural nuances I guess..

No matter how cheap and qualified, if we cannot trust then and constructively progress towards commin goals - that's money and time thrown away.

Some of them were technically skilled, well above us. Yet they did not perform..

@Fast-Nop well that changes things! A few years ago I read that Germany unis are changing their policies towards international students regarding tuition and I thought it had gone into effect by now, but it seems not. I'm gonna have to get in on this train then.

I really appreciate the info you gave me. Thanks.

@netikras that's why west pulls forward and east doesn't. It's not for the lack of skills, but the way they look at the world and life in general, and their resistance towards changing views!

Anyways, thanks for the info.

@115105109 The education (also unis) in Germany is not on federal, but on state level. That means each of the 16 states can have different regulations with additional tuitions for foreigners, and not all states have been in favour of that.

But even with additional tuition, that might be like 1500 EUR per semester and not like the US, and that's easy to pay back if you than take a job with German income (and why would you want to go back).

If you're competent, yes. That's the only thing we look at.

@Fast-Nop I'm gonna have to read up on each individual uni with a cs degree in it.

I don't get your second line. Do you mean I can skip on paying the tuition until after I graduate and get a job there?

(If I get there, very few things might convince me to get out of there!)

@Lyniven well Satan's asshole seems like a wonderful place to work in. Do you have open positions? Preferably Android jobs?

@115105109 we don't currently need Android forces. We don't do much phone devs :/ mainly private web apps and games

@Lyniven oh, bummer. Just to know, where exactly is your company?

@115105109 No, what I mean is that with the dev income you can expect in Germany, 1500 EUR per semester for paying back later is not as much as it may seem at first glance.

Also, if I got that correctly, the additional tuition is only applicable for foreigners without long term liaison to Germany. But if you want to stay here, I think that won't even apply - the difficulty being how to get that through the bureaucracy, but the DAAD should know more on that.

@Fast-Nop there's one problem with that approach. A foreigner student is only allowed to work I think ~20 hours a week. Meaning a part time job only. I maybe could work as a freelancer, but I don't think companies will hire a part time developer... Do they?

@115105109 During studies, you won't have that much time anyway. 20 hours per week is half of a fulltime job, and you can't really do studies with the other half of the time because of all the lectures, lab courses and exams. 30 hours per month is more typical, which would result in a 400 EUR job (which has tax benefits).

Typically, the parents are obliged to pay, but if they can't, then a student credit from the state is the usual solution.

It makes more sense to take a credit and get the studies done as quickly as possible because the income you'll make as dev will be around 40-45k EUR gross per year (national median: 30k gross) already as beginner. That translates into 25k net, but social insurance and health care are already included in the deduction.

Means, each year you spend as student instead of working as full dev would actually lose money.

@Fast-Nop so to recap, I can show a certain amount of money to the embassy to give me the student visa, and after when I'm a student there, if I can't cover my expenses I can ask the state for credit to help me finish college, then I'll get a job and pay back what I owe? Will the state give me enough to cover my living expenses too or just enough to pay college?

@jennytengsonM oh and you know we can party :D

It's awesome to hear that my stupid government hasn't done as much damage as I thought!
My problem is more with US's sanctions though. Will companies actually hire us, or does it have legal ramifications for them?

@115105109 If you can have a student credit, that should also cover living expenses - at a very modest level of course. The maximum credit level is 850 EUR per month - and the kicker is that only half of that has to be paid back, and only up to 10k EUR.

Working like 20, 30 hours per month for additional 400 EUR per month is also normal to get a bit more financial wiggle room.

The big question is whether you can apply for a student credit or not. Basically, also non-EU citizens can apply, but there has to be some sort of proven liaison to Germany. That may become somewhat difficult:
https://hamburg.com/welcome/...

However, there's also programs via the DAAD, who should know more details.

@jennytengsonM I actually meant will the EU companies hire us or not. I know that getting into US will be a stretch for now. Do you live in the US or Philippines?

@115105109 And I'm not 100% sure how that works, but it looks like there's also a way as refugee - with the problem that you'd first have to be recognised. Until then, you'd live in a refugee building with a lot of other people, and it's usually not really nice there.

Especially depending on what your reason is. Fleeing from Iran because of atheism or being gay would probably count, but if the other refugees there find out about that one - ouch.

https://studying-in-germany.org/stu...

@Fast-Nop you're right. The ~850€ fund is a federal one (BAFöG) that you can get if you've lived there for 5+ years or married to a German to prove your not leaving. But there's another option which is state based which almost anyone can get and the help is 600€.

I know about the refugee one...I know it too well actually. One of my friends is trying to become one, but it's not as easy as it sounds. I don't think you'll have any problem regarding atheism in the camps, because every day more and more people here are becoming atheists themselves (here's one!), but the gay option could cause some troubles. But even if you try to become a refugee through those claims, you have to provide evidence of it being life threatening to you in your own country, and then you'll get recognised as one. Otherwise they'll either return you back from where you came, or you can hide and live in the shadows for 5 years, so then the government has to accept you. It's a shit show not worth trying!

Getting a remote job is really hard, I know 2 people who work remote but they work at US companies from the EU. But the pay is not that great IMHO.

I myself work remote too, but that is purely by luck, my office moved far away due to being bought, but they decided to keep me because I was the only one who understands most of business critical crap they built over the past 8 years.

It would also be a 5-6 hours commute DAILY if I didn't work remote, so I told them I would only work remote for them or I'd get another job.

@slashasdf how much do you and your friends earn? And what exactly do they do?

There are a lot of Iranian people here in Canada. So, get student visa => CS classes =>Work.

Student visa allows working part time. Usually the student will work full time, but on paper it’s going to be half time with 2xsalary.

I know that because I dated an Iranian girl who did exactly that