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So, Boris Johnson just got moved to intensive care. Fucking poetic Justice if I've ever seen it.

Wow. I am so sad. I can't believe that happened. So so sad.

@cantthinkofone
I'm gonna fucking pray for him. For real. Gather hands ya'll

"Ave satanam plena odio. Quod per sanctificetur nomen tuum..."
 

That idiot used to promote herd immunity back in March and refused serious measures early on when they would have been most useful. He even mentioned the consequence that quite some families would lose relatives before their time. Yeah Mr. Johnson, looks like the Johnson family will be among them, given your age.

What a rare incident that a politician actually suffers himself from the consequences of his own misguided policies, and not only, as usually, the rest of the population.

@Fast-Nop
I just take all the people downvoting this are in support of British people dying for his hubris.

@Nanos
Herd immunity strategies are only ethical if you have vaccines. The problem with trying to achieve it with a full strength virus is you're giving it a chance to spread, grow and mutate and in the process saying those who die are acceptable losses. Using a dramatically weakened strained has almost no chance of achieving a contagious stage, hence why recently vaccinated children are allowed to attend school.

So yeah, make a vaccine and I'll be right there with you on herd immunity.

Sooooo, those that are cheering on the suffering of someone else are shitty people. Feel how you want, but try to be gracious out loud.

@monkeyboy
You should tell that to the 5300+ people his negligence has killed, and the thousands more that will die.

You are entitled to your opinion, and so am I. I have no interest in being a janus-faced coward censoring myself for social convenience.

@Nanos Unless there's a vaccine, that approach will not work without the health system collapsing or instead telling a lot of people to go home and die.

If you do the math how many intensive care places are there on the one hand, and over how long you'd have to stretch the crisis to keep the number of IC patients below that capacity, the result is at least TEN YEARS.

@FrodoSwaggins
This isn't a joke. He declined to make any decision. There's a difference between your neighbors and someone who is the leader of a government. He had power and responsibility to protect people. He callously disregarded that responsibility and instead adopted a stance that tens of thousands of deaths was an acceptable cost. He regarded himself as invincible. That is the behavior of a tyrant.

Boris is empowered, he is a regime. He is not a civilian. He created and represents the failed policies of the party he leads, and the hubris and disdain for the citizens of the UK that will cost 10s of thousands of lives. He caused those deaths with his willful ignorance and hubris. It's his responsibility, and he was remorseless in the face of death and disaster.

The only bright spot in all of this is the thought that he, or his party might wake up and learn something from this disaster when it directly effects them. You, me, your neighbors, we are powerless to fix any of this. The only people who can fix something of this scale are the people who have the full power of nations and Boris was maliciously, willfully disregarding the health and safety of the people whose lives he was responsible for saving. The people in denial need a wake up call, or we are all fucked.

So, apologies if I'm not the least bit sorry for being even darkly pleased by the self-destruction of a man who has killed more than 5000 people.

@FrodoSwaggins Yeah, the first people in China had a hard time. After that, people could have learnt from what happened before, that would have been intelligent.

When Johnson was still into herd immunity, the Italian army was already called in to haul the corpes away in army trucks. On the other hand, e.g. Taiwan had done much better.

So it would have been enough to conclude "let's do it like Taiwan, not like Italy".

@FrodoSwaggins The UK has enough money to support its economy for a bridge time during crisis, and to have a health care system that isn't like shit. But well, if they prefer to waste their money e.g. on fucking aircraft carriers in the 21st century like it's still WW2, then these are hard priorities.

@FrodoSwaggins Given that LATER, they decided on lock-down anyway, that question is answered. They could have done that already by looking at other countries and decide which one they'd want to emulate. But waiting until the crisis hits home and only THEN decide to act, that's downright stupid.

And the rest of the problems - hey, in 2008, goverments shelled out huge amounts of money to save fucking banks. Maybe shelling out money to help ordinary taxpayers would be an option, too. Then you won't have people in the streets.

It's not like the government is helpless. They are the only player in the game who can change the rules - ultimately, because they have enough men under weapons.

@FrodoSwaggins True, many people don't understand the idea of prevention. However, that's just a PR question. Showing the pictures of Italian army trucks hauling away hundreds of corpses should do the trick. It's not like governments can't spin the PR machine, they do it all the time whenever they want to promote whatever agenda they have. As for when to end the lock-down, that question comes up no matter when you start it.

@FrodoSwaggins Actually, the most straight-forward answer is "14 days" if you don't have cases yet, and then keeping borders closed until shit is under control elsewhere.

Then good night! :-)

@Nanos Wandering across UK's borders is a bit more difficult, geographically. Also, 28 days isn't for Corona, that's for the zombie apocalypse, see "28 days later".

@Nanos With 33 days, it's not clear whether people actually got infected much later, but with less obvious contact.

@FrodoSwaggins It's of course difficult if most surrounding governments fail to understand the point of prevention and are in reactive mode. But that's kinda the point, it's not like it arrived out of nowhere.

And yes, now it's going to be really expensive. That's the bill for hesitating in January and February. It's also the consequence of large parts of the population, politicians included, failing to understand primary school math like exponential growth.

On the upside, Corona is not like Ebola, so we got a not-as-serious test of how our systems cope with a pandemic: not that well.

Oh, and you know why e.g. Taiwan fared better? Because unlike Western countries, they drew consequences from the SARS shit in the early 2000s. They showed the behaviour you'd expect among a species that gives itself "sapiens" as species name: intelligent behaviour, involving learning from past mistakes.

@FrodoSwaggins Either bring these 100 home, but quarantine them including the crews immediately, or if they refuse that, block them out of the country for the next month.

And yeah, we have a problem now because you're right that home office and such is good, but the lockdown for localised professions can't go on for extended time.

@FrodoSwaggins All the handwaving about how nothing can be done doesn't change the fact that Taiwan did much better than Italy, or the US.

Look, as always in life, winners find solutions while losers find reasons why it can't possibly work.

@FrodoSwaggins Yeah, we have two sorts of countries... those that hesitated with drastic measures early on, and those that didn't. Those who are complaining the most about the horrendous economic costs are the first kind. You seem to be surprised by that, I'm not.

@FrodoSwaggins OK, but maybe we can agree that first ignoring shit when preventive measures would have been most useful, and later on, changing game and locking down anyway - that's outright stupid.

Either you say, fuck millions of (well, not only...) old people, let them die, that's good for the pension system and economy. That's what Brazil does - at least the government; the mafia has decided on lockdown in the favelas.

Or you say this is mass murder and needs to be prevented, but then as effectively and cheaply as possible. And no, "who could have known" isn't going to fly. Everyone watching world wide news not only could have known, but knew.

Actually, governments should have pandemic plans ready because SARS already was such an incident in 2003 (which is why Taiwan made such plans), so even not having plans ready counts as failure.

@FrodoSwaggins *sigh* Please re-read the last paragraph of the previous posting.

And here in Germany, our "health minister" is a bank economist without any medical expertise. Politicians aren't chosen by competence, but by their standing within their party. Which is part of the problem.

@FrodoSwaggins That's the funniest way I ever saw of how to handwave away even practical evidence of a successful strategy. If you aren't going to accept empirical evidence, you aren't going to accept anything, and you aren't going to care about reality. The discussion is pointless. Go believe what you want.

@FrodoSwaggins That's actually part of the stupidity - SARS in 2003 clearly showed that we need to have canned plans. Globalisation, global mobility, overpopulation, yadda yadda - that's ingredients for a pandemic. We had 17 years to be prepared, and now protective gear is scarce even for medical staff, WTF?

Meanwhile, I believe in being prepared, that's why I have a full-face gas mask along with P3 filters that actually protects me (weekly shopping) while normies even fail to have paper masks that would help to protect others.

Looks like Johnson has indeed learnt something. He thinks what landed him in the hospital was his obesity, given that he weighs some whooping 111kg at 175cm. That gives a BMI of 36, which is already severe obesity.

It also spurred him on to tackle the UK's rampant obesity crisis, so something good came out of it.

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