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Fuck Google! I'm trying to write a fucking parential app that I can install on my little sisters phone, because I won't download something that is meant to monitor activity on a child's phone when I am capable of writing one. Problem is, I test it on my phone which has Android 10, because I am not keen on testing with a slowpoke out of wood brick that the target phone is. Android 10 does not let you do a single shit that is needed for a parential software. You try to turn on airplane mode to prevent messages from arriving and such? Well.... nope, you can't. Okay... airplane mode is too drastic. Let's try turning off WiFi and Data. Fuck me, you can't do that either. I gave the app fucking system permissions and It laughs in my face when I try to access some simple shit like... WiFi state. Miserable. I wonder if it will let me mute the fucking volume on the phone. I guess It won't, because "You shouldn't set these things on a user's phone.". Well, fuck that. That's exactly what I need. That old brick does not have built in parental settings. Jesus.

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    Uhh well there is a reason not that many parental control apps exist, it's because you need elevated permissions, and for that you need root access. Imagine if any random app could do that, think of how many apps would be plain annoying. I think that is a good security measure and you should just go with what they offer
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    @frogstair Bull, its a computer. I should be able to do what I want with it.

    @WorthlesCynomys How come south korea gets an android phone without internet and everyone else gets this data monitoring bullshit? Yeah, its stupid.
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    @Demolishun if you can do anything with a computer, then anything can do whatever it wants with your computer. How the hell is a phone supposed to know what is you and what is not you? He is developing an app, but how does the phone know that its you developing the app?

    Also @WorthlesCynomys look into accessibility settings on android. This will grant you permission to do whatever you like. It's safer because the user has to manually toggle it
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    @frogstair The application has been given access manually to the system settings. I'll look more into it under accessibility name.
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    @frogstair I am tired of other people creating products to protect me when the goal is control and not protection.

    safe=comply

    I like permission approach to this, but he already knows how that works. Android 10 is employing more control.
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    @Demolishun I think that the request permission with a prompt, provide a reason for the request and let the user decide way is much better. They are trying to protect users by crippling developers. It starts to look like iOS will have a better permission system... and I hate iOS permission system.
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    @Demolishun the product is not made for you. It's for everyone. And most people don't know jack shit about internet and computer security. Unlike a PC or laptop, where everything is scattered around, it custom folders, or even online, it's really hard for something malicious to navigate. In an android phone everything is in its own little container. It's all there, standardized. A malicious program could easily navigate that and do bad thing. And acquiring that is easier than on a pc. Instead of searching for a specific thing, finding the correct button, and doing everything correctly, a non-tech savvy user could just find a recommended app on the play store that randomly snuck in. And once it's in, it's gone. I think it is a valid layer of protection, that needs explicit user intervention to break, such as rooting your phone. Even then, these permissions are not as hard to integrate. It's a simple API call and check, nothing hard
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    @frogstair The Android is a computer generated dream world built to keep us under control in order to change a human being into data.
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    @frogstair Also could replace Android with Web.
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    @frogstair I'm not saying that the protection is not reasonable. I think that the fact that I toggled the little switch in the deepest deep menu in app permissions (which only shows if you request the right permission, which could be easily controlled upon publishing) should make me able to do the things why It's there for. The problem is not the user protection. That is right and neccessary. The problem is that when I manually, willfully allow the phone to manage system settings, it spits in my face.
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    @Demolishun thaaats not what I was talking about. Think what you will about that, but what I was saying is that not allowing apps to change system settings is a good security measure
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    @WorthlesCynomys theoretically if you did everything right it should automatically open the switchboard for all accessibility permissions, without any digging
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    @frogstair That is true. It in fact does. But the user who reads "Modify system settings" and does not ask the reason of it, sure does deserve some lessons on cyber security in a world where we almost even breathe zeros and ones.
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    @WorthlesCynomys im not too sure, but doest it also explain what it does when you try to enable it?
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    Root it and write an app that uses root permissions. Or better yet, just ship your own kernel module.
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    @frogstair It just toggles. But I think that "Modify system settings" is quite a talking name. Also, that's why I say that the prompt message with a reason is a better way of doing things.
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    @WorthlesCynomys fair enough. I think it does the pop-ups for the more common things like camera, files etc, and the accessibility settings for the more neash things such as system settings, clicks and presses and etc
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    Also, making your own nanny app is competition with Android. Google wants to decide what people see and don't see. What to believe and what not to believe.
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    @frogstair It does the pop-ups for the general permissions. That's good, but android does not insist that you provide a reason and does not always display the reason in the prompt. The request itself is something I like much more on iOS.
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    @Demolishun I feel like that too. All I wanted to do is an app that my parents can use to control the time that my sister has to play on the phone. She's quite stubborn and does not listen when she's being told to put It down, so I decided that I will use my skills to toggle her phone between a brick and a phone with an app for dynamic time intervals. It seems like you can't do it without going really deep in the phone.
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    @WorthlesCynomys I run my android phone on a talk and text only account. I am impressed about one thing on this. It does not freak out when it has no internet for long periods of time. Windows 10, on the other hand, is freaking big time. Notifying me multiple times a day there is no net, popping a web browser open because my wifi has no net. So as far as being without net, the version of android on my phone has been pretty quiet. That has been nice.
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    @Demolishun Windows 10 is a whole another conversation at another time. That is pure bullshit too. Has a lot of good features, It is comfortable, but It's excessively resource thirsty and has a huge bunch of suspicious background processes.
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    If every app could do that, I might as well develop an app @rutee07 that would make the sun shine so bright out of my asshole that you wouldn't even see my dick cracking down so hard on your nose that it would point inwards!
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    "when I am capable of writing one."

    Sounds like a false premise here.
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    @electrineer Yup. I thought I was until I bumped into the new permission system. Good point.
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    @Fast-Nop That made my asshole wet. I just imagine spreading my ass cheeks wide and the sun rising out of it.
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    @frogstair Not per definition. Just the fact that someone can open a specific program on a computer does not mean that I have access to that same program by default.

    Possible? Yes. Does everyone have access to it? Nope.
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