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GiddyNaya
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Why isn't anyone asking where Google's recaptcha images are coming from?
Yesterday, the challenge i got was clearly obvious, it was a car shaded by a tree shown from side view and it looks like someone unknowingly holding his/her device pointing to it (bloatware i suspect). And today i am told to pick "stairs". Yes! from someones fucking home! No sugar-coated explanation is justifiable enough for this sort of fuckery!

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  • 7
    Google maps
  • 12
    @frogstair Street view I guess
  • 4
    @netikras yep, that's what I'm saying
  • 13
    Y'all trained Googles ML-Networks since recaptcha exists.
    It started with Googles mission to scan books, so they needed help with hard words.
    Than they did Streetview and wanted to optimize the Streetnumbers, so they added that. Now it's Streetview training on steroids, meaning widespread object classification. Signs, objects, etc., with much of the trained data going into GCP products and for internal use.
    It's a closed loop and it's not necessarily bad. Everyone gains from it, Google, who can make money of it and continue to develop for its own products, external business, that can build products with the help of said data for almost stupidly cheap and in-cooperate it into own products, and we (as user) to have access to always evolving and more advanced products, helpers, phones etc. etc.
    So Win-Win-Win?
    Almost forgot the webmasters themselves who get good, free, easy to use and well known captcha for their sites
  • 2
    @Kimmax you forgot car driving ML...
  • 5
    I really thought the fact that Google bought recaptcha to provide a massive supervised learning dataset for its streetview images was common knowledge...
  • 1
    hCaptcha is pretty cool. Behaves almost like Google reCaptcha
  • 2
    Yeah. It shocks me that it has taken people so long to get a grip on this. This is training for googles ML models so they can have the computer makes sense of all the spy pictures they took of everyone’s house between 2008 and now.

    I knew something was really up when I started getting asked these for totally VALID and CORRECT login attempts.

    Look, if you want to help terrorist organizations build the most terrible weapons ever to exist, go ahead and tell it the truth. Otherwise, i suggest you use other web services.
  • 1
    Actually we should probably build browser plugins that lie on these automatically so that we can crowd source fucking up their models without risking an IP getting blacklisted.
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    But here’s a fact: I haven’t been asked a recaptcha in over 3 years. Even in 2020 it is not difficult at all to be disengaged from internet bullshit, not a member of websites that do you no good, and host your own stuff like email. It’s even easier now than it was in 1996. Think about it.
  • 0
    @PublicByte Sorry to be the first one to tell you that, but you're a bot. Humans get them right on 3rd attempt at most.
  • 1
    @PublicByte Spam prevention by rewarding users? This does not work for registration forms.
  • 1
    @PublicByte The amount of times you fill out a reCaptcha depends on the website owner, and how high of a score you need to pass as a human
  • 2
    @PublicByte See? I told you.

    It’s your birthday. Someone gives you a calfskin wallet. How do you react?

    You’ve got a little boy. He shows you his butterfly collection plus the killing jar. What do you do?

    You’re watching television. Suddenly you realize there’s a wasp crawling on your arm.

    You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?

    Describe in single words, only the good things that come into your mind. About your mother.
  • 0
    @FrodoSwaggins not really going to work. First they run the same images to multiple people and even when people get it wrong they learn which parts is ambiguous.

    But sometimes they already know the answer and if you answer all wrong they just filter out those.

    And remember, most users still want to access the service so in total, quite few will do this so google will not be very affected.
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    @Voxera idk. This is the thing about machine learning. You can train it and use it at the same time. So if many users are answering one way and then one answers differently you can say that’s wrong. They often ask you multiple runs of it, so I’m guessing you’re one of the first for a particular image if they do that. But they have a somewhat trained model too so that might also not be true
  • 0
    @FrodoSwaggins possibly, but I doubt you can convince enough tondo a difference :/
  • 1
    @Voxera it would probably depend on how much buy in. But even with 80% buy in (which is not realistic) you’re probably right that it could see through the noise. But also training machine learning through a filter and positive feedback loop seems pretty dangerous.
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