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@bahua
I think we can all agree, "fuck that guy." -
@SortOfTested I will admit he does actually work long hours too usually. Of course that's pretty unusual for execs.
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He should cut the work day to 5 hours for the same pay and he'll get better results than with useless 14 h. Because a more rested workforce is more motivated and productive.
Is it legal in the U.S to work 14 hours a day for a long period?
(I guess i know the answer as anything unreasonable is allowed in murica: 🙄) -
@heyheni
The US has almost no protection for "white collar" labor. We desperately need to unionize, but even that presents problems due to gamed employment criteria and nepotistic hiring.
And yes, managers here measure productivity primarily by hours-of-ass-in-chair. -
@heyheni lol it's complicated, as it usually is for us. Technically speaking you have to be given breaks at the very least. Most states don't require you to pay overtime if the salary is above a certain amount. Most people, including managers don't even know that. And the salary requirement is super low. I think it's something like 24k a year. After that they don't legally have to pay you for overtime.
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@Floydimus
I'd say it's more the ubiquitous Indian style of management in the US that's causing that decay. There was a corrosive synergy between old white men in the 80s and 90s searching for cheaper labor and cost cutting measures to increase their payout and India's pool of said labor, and eventual promotion into US management which perpetuates that mechanism 20 years later.
Having been on the inside at both Amazon and Google, Amazon is definitely the one still pushing the envelope. -
Arguments about how overtime isn’t benefitial often don’t stick.
Just simply refuse to work overtime. If needed, make up an excuse like how you have an evening class so you have no free time to spare for extra work.
I find that sometimes managers can coerce employees to do overtime if they sre pushovers, but if the employee says it’s impossible a the manager often folds. -
@jiraTicket oh I'm aware. I made a point of not putting extra time in when I started this job. But I don't make excuses. The couple of times I've personally worked overtime at this job is when I screwed something up. If I accidentally broke something I'm willing to put in an extra couple hours. But I make it clear it's an exception. Unfortunately no one else handles it that way here. In their defense, most of them came here straight out of school and stuck around for decades so they just think it's the status quo. Which is maybe a benefit of me saying it in a meeting instead of in private. Maybe it'll get people thinking.
@heyheni to your point, that's what I was saying about not being a church. Sadly their argument is usually "you'll get a bigger bonus" at the end of the year. Which personally I think is a crock of shit. I did the work now. I'm not loaning you my paycheck tell December. Also it's never equivalent to the amount you'd actually be owed if charged per hour. -
@ChaoticGoods do others suffer too at your company?
It's maybe time to seek help and unionize. I mean if they'll fire youfor that they are doing you a favor anyway don't they? And if you suceed you get better conditions.
https://iww.org/directory/ -
I really don't want to live in the US.
I've seen countless pictures of the US landscapes and - given how large the US is - without working - a long vacation, couple of months - maybe longer, isn't possible.
It was a dream to work and travel through the US... But exactly things like these (and my permanent health issues) are the reasons I'd never set foot on US soil. -
@IntrusionCM The internet opened a cultural exchange window for americans and the rest of the "developed" world on abysmal things are in the USA. Especially for the under 30yo. The majority uf U.Sians just accepted how shitty things are and don't know that it could be any different.
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@Floydimus
It's not your fault. Our greed made us vulnerable to the worst elements and influences, regardless of origin. People with access and wealth have always preyed upon vulnerabilities. All we can do is understand where things are broken and work to fix them as power changes hands. That's what everyone should do.
I messed up. We have a senior executive that loves this phrase... "It's going to require all of us to make some sacrifices". 100% of the time he's talking about working 10, 12, or 14 hour days.
So after a few months of this I just chimed in with "this isn't church I don't give sacrifices to my employer. I get PAID for my work."
Honestly I can't say it slipped. I've been telling my wife the exact same phrase for a couple months now. Initially I wanted to discuss it with him directly. Maybe I could explain how making everyone work 14 hour days is not going to end well for us, short or long term. We already know the results short term. We got 50+ defects reported back in our first day of testing for a new project (I'm not on the project but we had a sort of "all hands on deck" meeting to talk about how we can "improve our process so that we don't make so many mistakes". I politely suggested move some people onto this project while we interview candidates. I volunteered to take some of the work items even. But that advice went ignored.
So that's why I asked to meet with the senior exec. He refused to even meet with me. Okay fine you're busy. I emailed him my concerns and suggested solutions. Never heard back. I knew he was going to pipe up with the sacrifice thing so I just blurted it out. It went ignored... So I guess we'll see if I have a job tomorrow or not.
rant
managment sucks