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K pop is garbage and yet somehow their fans are a bigger cancer than that sad excuse of music.

Luckily I don't even know what that is

Just wait to see chalga and its fans.

i love two kpop girl groups (red velvet and blackpink) but yeah, even an avid fan like me agrees that majority of fans are really toxic. not to mention, some of those fans even break into their idol dorms to plant cameras. these fans are called sasaengs. they are very obsessive and the agencies take advantage of that. they would release different versions of an album (sometimes one version per member) and those fans will buy all the versions. peak capitalism.

People making too much noise about anything are a pain. Be it music, sports, "celebrities", etc.

@F1973 It's okay, I said "too much noise"

@Jilano @F1973 *makes twice as much too much noise*

Check mate bitches lmao

Yeah , totally agree !

But Oppas are pretty!

Kidding, but it's one of the least harmful forms of entertainment these days. I don't care much about them, considering that their industry is toxic as a poison factory. but the same can be said about Jpop and Hollywood and Bollywood and others. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@NoMad it's more harmful than you think. The fans harass people quite frequently

@Stuxnet yeah but they also occasionally do good. like, just don't touch their obsession topics. they're toxic, yeah, I don't disagree, but stay out of their hair and you'd be okay. they're still better off obsessing over a celebrity than a religion imho.

@Stuxnet what I was trying to say is: they will obsess regardless. it's better if they obsess over a celebrity. Most of them are teenage/young girls and boys, so they will obsess over someone regardless. better it be a singer than literally anything else.

@NoMad the occasional good doesn't come close to outweighing the consistent harassment though. Especially considering they'll harass you for literally just saying you don't like their favorite artist. That's some extreme overreacting bullshit lol

obsessions are unhealthy.

@Stuxnet when an idol's birthday is coming, some fans actually organize some projects that involves tree planting, volunteering and book donations so it's not THAT bad

@Wintercrest "some" is a small fraction.

Most of them are weirdos that spend hours on Twitter talking shit and participating in the cancerous circle jerk mentality of communities.

@Stuxnet and the fancams 💀

@F1973 @Stuxnet *plays BTS at law volume*

"I'm sorry, what did you say?"

By the way, while it's not really related to the initial topic, check "Kizuna AI"

@jespersh
KPop fans have been drowning out trump fans on the twitter. Hence the source of this reeeeee

https://scmp.com/week-asia/...

@F1973
Kizuna Ai is japanese idol ai youtube derivative. Standard paedophilia that is packaged and sold to men the world over, just slightly less overt.

@F1973
He's not.

As a fan of some songs which blur the line between "industrial" and "noise", I agree with this post.

@SortOfTested
That looks pretty nonsexual for japanese standards to me. There are videos where she sketches herself on a virtual tablet. In one uses Google Earth VR to do sightseeing on an island full of cats. In a lot of the videos, she sings and dances...
Looks like standard youtube celebrity stuff to me - only difference is that she does not exist outside the cyberspace.
Would be awesome if that singing and talking would actually be AI - but i doubt it is.

Did not find the pedobear there.

@SortOfTested ...how is Kizuna like, at all, pedophilia?

@Oktokolo @PrivateGER
Not really something we should be getting into here, but suffice it to say it's a trend in many countries and not unique to them.

The entire j-idol industry (real and digital), and the K-pop industry it spawned has monetized packaging young, generally juvenile people as vulnerable sex objects for a predominantly male audience, in many cases significantly older than the performers.

It's a pipeline that is also designed to funnel young girls specifically from the idol stage to the av industry once they age out of the "pure" look and are left with few other skills.

AI is just one in a long line of these types of products.

http://thefactorytimes.com/factory-...

https://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/...

https://jpninfo.com/12837

https://twentytwotwentyeight.com/si...

https://theguardian.com/global/...

https://bloomberg.com/news/...

https://cosmopolitan.com/entertainm...

@SortOfTested
So that is about boy groups - but with girls and targetting boys instead of girls? A cynic would call that gender equality...

But yes, that is definitely bad and probably already is punishable by law (but obviously hard to prove and the actors need the money).
It hasn't anything to do with pedophilia though.
The target demografics of such bands are mostly Preteens and Teens.
Also especially the japanese bands seem to try hard to not show any sexuality at all ("pureness" seems to be a big thing there).

And as you downgraded from pedophilia to labor rights:
Machines are slaves. They are built to work all day and all night untill their CPU melts down (if it is an Intel, AMD will just work forever).

Commercial abuse of the actor isn't bad if the actor isn't a being.

@Oktokolo
I guess? However, 90% of idol followers are male and over twice the age of the performers themselves.

Quote:

"When I asked Miyake about the difference between idol culture and North American celebrity culture, she pointed out that the Japanese platform is designed for a very specific audience. "If you go to Katy Perry’s concerts, the majority of the fans are teenage girls… 90% of the [idol] audience are men twice the age of the performers." The film explores Japanese idol culture through a lens that is fiercely critical, yet also curious and compassionate, weaving together questions of masculinity, femininity, culture and exploitation. It starkly shows how the exaggerated girlishness of the idols is commodity-fetishized to the extent that an idol's career is typically over as soon as she reaches grown womanhood."

I'm not a fan of conditioning, however it manifests. Same reason so many men here love cheerleaders and schoolgirl exposition; drip feed someone acceptable sleaze long enough and they imprint on it. It's predatory all around.

@SortOfTested if they exploit something, then there was something to exploit in the first place. Appeal of young is present by itself. It's not something that was not there at all in any form

@iiii
There's no argument that justified grooming.

@SortOfTested I don't understand what do you mean

@iiii
https://thinkuknow.co.uk/parents/...

@SortOfTested
Well, while the exploitation of the idols is solveable relatively easy by switching to virtual idols - wich that "AI" (not a real AI though) somewhat seems to do - the exploitation of the fans will not end until society as a whole switches their economic system to something more sustainable. But that would also seriously hurt our ongoing terraforming project...

At the end, i see the virtualization of that "industry" as positive and would like to see the same in the porn industry - because while i like an island full of cats like everyone else, i might be interested on an entirely different level in an island full of "cats"...

@SortOfTested and you don't understand me. I was not talking about a term. I was talking about the whole message. I don't understand what you tried to say.

@Oktokolo
Right now virtualization is acting more as a gateway drug than anything else. It's also setting an example of what behaviors are and are not okay in regards to women. I don't see that changing for the same reason; we will never evolve as a species if 50% of the population is reduced to mere fetish-fodder.

To give even more context, women in japan only recently won inroads in not having to wear heels and skirts at work; this was a traditional policy that led to significant health issues, particular in the case of being required to wear heels for up to 14 hours at a time. At the same time, companies are still thinking it's okay to tell women they are not allowed to wear glasses at work because it diminished their appearance.

If you want to change attitudes, you start young. That starts with things like animated idols intended for younger audiences.

@SortOfTested
I don't agree on the "gateway drug" (famous excuse for criminalizing drugs less harmfull than alcohol and almost always used in combination with child porn when trying to establish a filter infrastructure for the Internet) or that the fetishized fraction of the population isn't actually 100% (as there are a shitton of fetishes, almost everyone is seen as a fetish object by someone).
I also would expect people (including teens) to actually be better able to separate virtual experiences (watching "AI" on youtube) from meat space experiences (attending a concert with real performers).

Japan's society definitely is extremely fucked up though.
And yes, proper education has to start early, wich in essence makes it a generational problem. So i wouldn't expect fast results in Japan, or any results at all as japanese women have extremely high standards when it comes to partner selection - making extinction of the nation as a whole the more likely outcome...