All thanks to God for all the stars, forks & watches in my open source project, even though I never deserved it

>I never deserved it
Sign of low self esteem or being humble?

Either ways, you deserve the best bro. Kickass work. Keep going.. keep going :)

To be fair, stars bind to the repository, you know? Keep up a good work! 😁

Thanking God for something YOU accomplished that ended being useful to several people 🤨?

I never got the appeal behind forks.

@dUcKtYpEd You can be humble while not giving credits to an artificial imaginary being.

@Floydimus , @Berkmann18
yes, I'm being humble, because my project is not perfect. It has problems that I still couldn't fix. Still, some people choose to use it instead of the better ones, which I'm really thankful for.

@vintprox
Thanks

@Berkmann18
God is not an imaginary being. Pretty sure I can prove it, if you want me to.

@devjesus , @Marl3x
Its a portfolio project, created using ReactJS, Material UI etc

Nice work

@dUcKtYpEd I think what @Berkmann18 meant here is that value yourself because you have earned it, instead of explicitly giving credits to external factors and affecting your self esteem further.

Maybe he picked some wrong words to express his views. 🙃

@Berkmann18 He is thanking the imaginary power that made us, while being fully aware that we are just some combination of atoms and made by fluctuations in entropy.

It's simply called God, and you can say it without believing in any imaginary being.

@Xoka Go ahead and prove it then.

@dUcKtYpEd So in your opinion this thing (God or whatever name you give it) can take all the credits for what someone did? Come on, you sound like those people on FB/YT who discredit people who put efforts, passion and often their lives to do something helpful.

@theabbie You're implying it exists and is named as such, which other Abrahamic religions would disagree with.

@Berkmann18 People can believe in god as a person with ultimate powers, it's no one's problem.

OP didn't mean god that way, he just thanked something.

@theabbie They indeed can (aside from those who use it as an excuse to harm others.

@dUcKtYpEd I would say, that calling him an asshole is an act of being an asshole. Whether you're religious or not, does not grant you a right to deny someone expressing their religious view, which is in this case "god is an artificial imaginary being". You only can agree or not with that view. Silencing is not an option in this case.

@devjesus
> you clearly tried to start an opinion war [...]

Wrong, and if I had £10 everytime I heard someone saying that my years of battle and challenges in hospitals was due to God and not my mum's and my tenacity, braveness and the supportive doctors (+ the equivalent I saw online for people who risked their lives for others), I'd have enough to wipe several student's debts.

I don't get why people who are to attribute someone's success to God like if it did all the work.

@devjesus why are religious people so insecure that they see an attack in everything an atheist is saying?

@Berkmann18 No offense but you seem like the guy who can argue for hours and never get tired.

BTW, to prove God's existence, I first need to know, why do think there's no God? What made you believe it?

@theabbie I thanked God because God gave me the Brain and Patience to work on such a project even though there are thousand other similar projects which are even better.

& Yes, for me, God is someone who has the ultimate power.

@devjesus I do agree with you here but usually that's what happens. People like @Berkmann18 say something absurd and play the victim card. That's disgusting.

@iiii Because, there is a difference between expressing one's opinion and attacking. We don't call Atheists "You son of a bitch" just because they believe their ancestors were once Dogs and poop. Same way, you can't just call God an "Imaginary being". Like, do you have the proof that God doesn't exist? Did science prove that God doesn't exist? Pretty sure, most scientists believed in God.

@devjesus well, now I am sure you're a biggot...

@dUcKtYpEd he asked a question and was blamed by you for asking. I don't see where he did anything wrong. Maybe you should stop being a dick?

@devjesus you are definitely far. Your description of how to "prove" your views is totally opposite of how scientific method works.

@dUcKtYpEd I could say the same of you: your religious views are just byproducts of your surroundings. I'm not insulting your right, but you are definitely not in the right to silence others just because you have faith.

And I am personally not accepting you and your views. I'm an asshole and everyone knows it. But you are being an asshole here as well

Please tell me why this had to turn to a religious never ending debate? Should we not applaud OP's achievement of the repo?

I would like to have the link to the repo please!

Also, for all the ones that need to feel cavalier about someone's believe or absence of it, go eat chtulu's dick.

See how you can trigger a bunch of logical creatures by giving credits to a fictional character?

@Xoka Simple, if you believe in the existence of something and claim it exists, then the onus is on you (saying this as an ex-Christian who saw more examples on how it would have been either a selfish prick or simply a human-made entity that only exist in people's heads). So to answer your questions, I've seen zilch evidence that it exists or that it's benevolent and actually doing shit, and many times people put its name on things that are explained by Science or done by humans. If it exists, show it to me, and I'll change my position on it (c.f. agnosticism). And if you (and @devjesus) think I'm playing the victim, you're either delusional or projecting.

@dUcKtYpEd Pretty rich coming from someone who resorted to ad-hom attacks like someone attacked a close friend of his.

Geez, bunch of folks spilled the oil in religious debate again...

@NeatNerdPrime OP told in his previous rants that he wants to stay anonymous, so he won't send link here.

@theabbie Now you don't start again man. Its hard to read @Berkmann18 comments and you are just adding fuel to the fire now.

@Berkmann18 Okay, so in your opinion, if I write in simple terms, You don't believe in God, because you didn't see God. Right? or there's more to it?

@vintprox Yup. I won't :|

@Xoka You can leave this rant on it's known, you lost control to it.

@theabbie to be honest, I never had the control to begin with. But that doesn't mean, you need to add fuel to the fire.

@Xoka there is no insult where you are seeing one. Can you explain why do you see an insult there?

@Xoka Bullshit comment? Right.
I guess you're one of those who never challenged their own views and beliefs or had civil debates about this.

@theabbie if chance is the power that made us, then... Are casinos the churches of the true god? 🤔

@iiii Can you give credit to casino for the money you made? or blame them for your loss?

@theabbie no, never was in one. Not even in a makeshift one at a corporate party. I generally prefer to not pay tributes to chance in any way. But speaking of anything but money, it looks like everything good that happened to me was by sheer chance and I could not control the appearance of those events.

@iiii That's what god is, since there is no way to prove we control our actions, we can say everything was planned by god.

@theabbie roll dice for the true god! Increase the entropy!

@theabbie on a serious note, no, it is not a god, because it is not some power, but the nature of the world itself without any consciousness, purpose and direction. Randomness is not even a force but a property. There's no god in it.

@iiii Just let people believe in things that gives them happiness, you can keep telling everyone god isn't real and in that you'll forget the whole point of why god was created, to give hope to people.

In a non-scientific world, even if god existed, we would still not know.

@theabbie I let them. I don't really care in what esoteric thing they believe. But they have problems with others stating other thoughts, as you can see. And that is unacceptable and very hypocritic.

Hope is equal to desperation: you want something you cannot get. You create frustration where you could have accepted the way of the world instead and could have done something instead of hoping in vain.

I do not agree that hope should be praised or indulged in any way.

@iiii Do you have eyes or they are not functional? If you have eyes, you are supposed to see, just like how the others can see the insults and bullshits done by you and the other atheists in the comments

@Berkmann18 I challenge my belief everyday, that's the reason, I still believe in God. Unlike you guys, I don't believe my ancestors were once Dogs and poops. & above all, I was asking you some questions about your belief. Did I offend you while asking you the questions? Why are you changing the topic without answering? Are you scared that you can't prove your stupid beliefs? If not, then keep answering my questions instead of spewing new bullshits.

==================================

So, I'm asking all the non believers, with all due respect:

Tell me, why do you think, there's no God? Is it only because you can't see God? or there's more reason to it?

@iiii @Berkmann18 @theabbie & other atheists

This time, don't change the topic. Just answer the question.

@Xoka there is no evidence of anything that could have been "god". That's it. Materialism at its core. All there is is all there is. Unless proven by verifiable evidence, nothing exists.

The insults started after someone went haywire because of a question about misattributed achievements.

@iiii Okay, I'm not gonna offend you, just gonna ask some simple questions. Just answer me in simple manner.

Okay, so my questions are, According to your beliefs:

Is robbing someone Good or Bad?

Is raping a girl/woman Good or Bad?

@Xoka nothing is inherently good or bad. Your questions lack context. Good and bad are only the current rules of the society you are in, just like laws but verbal ones.

@iiii You are again changing topics. Is robbing someone good or bad? Is raping someone good or bad? These are some simple questions. Even a baby could answer these, how come you can't?

I'm not asking one million people about their opinion. I'm asking just you, according to your belief, what do you think? Is robbing someone good or bad? Is raping someone good or bad?

@Xoka I am not. I am answering your questions as fully as they can be answered.

I've told you already: those questions lack context. There is no universal "good" or "bad". Everything is in context. If you are inserting some assumptions that you don't state, that's not my problem that I do not know or understand your hidden assumptions.

Babies don't even understand that there is a world beyond their ego. They have no idea what those questions are. They haven't yet tasted the fruit of knowledge.

@iiii Okay! Let me rephrase my questions, to make it more sense to you:

if someone robs you, what would you say?

a. "Nah! That's fine. There's no universal good or bad. So, chill man! I'm not gonna call the police or anything. have fun. Take my number! If you need more money, just call me & I will paypal you"

or

b. "I'm gonna call the police. Give me my money you bastard!"

What's gonna be your reaction?

@Xoka your logic is of a baby: everything from a stance of your and only your ego.

Robbery may be unpleasant for you as a victim, but may be the last resort of someone. So is it bad because you are upset, or is it good because it prolongs someone's life?

You're so naive.

@iiii Robbing is not necessarily someone's last resorts. There are thousands of Mafias who rob, for no reason. Just to make fun of people. Do you justify that too? What do you think about those mafias? Are they doing good works or evil works?

Tell me, according to you, the mafias who rob people for fun, are they doing good deeds or evil deeds? Whats your opinion about their robbery?

@Xoka it may not be, but there is definitely a difference in context. That's what I was talking about all along. You are asking questions but want me to give you answers you want instead of answers I have.

Good and evil are relative. What's good for you may be bad for others and what is bad for you may be good for others. There are no absolutes. Everything is neutral until you put a label on it.

@Xoka you were saying you wanted a serious talk but you're plunging in demagogy by begging for a suitable answer for yourself.

@iiii No offense, but it seems like, you have the brain of a bird. instead of answering my simple questions, you are spewing nonsense.

Its like, I'm asking you, "what is 2+2?"

& You are answering: "there's nothing absolute. So, 2+2 can be 5 for me and 6 for someone else. So, I'm not gonna offend them by saying 2+2=4"

& It also seems like, you have unlimited time to waste my friend, which I don't have, unfortunately.

I was ready to challenge my beliefs but you are just a scaredy cat scared of saying something that might go against your belief. Though I wanted to prove you God's existence, but for someone who can't even differentiate between Robbing someone is Good or Bad, with that tiny brain of yours, I don't think, you can understand anything simple either.

I really wanted to have a normal conversation with you but you are too scared to handle it. I feel sorry for you and your ancestors.

@Xoka "no offence" and proceeds to insult. 🤣

Just stop. You can't handle a civil discussion. You asked a question, I've given you my answer, you've said "no, that's a wrong answer!". That's the end of discussion. We can return to it when you'll clean your brain of prejustices and absolutes.

No offense, but fuck off.

@Xoka I am not an Atheist, In the sense that, I have no problems in participating in any weird religious events.
I don't believe in existence of god as a being, but, I don't call myself an atheist.
I don't oppose gods, it gives happiness and I like it for that.

I just wanna drop this here,

You can't prove a "negation"

ie. Nobody can prove there is no god, the same way nobody can prove that there is not a teapot flying in an orbit between Earth and Mars.

Can you use this as an argument for existence of god? No.

You can't say there is a teapot just because I can't prove there isn't.

The "burden of proof" lies on the person claiming existence, if you believe in god, you'll have to find it, and till then, nobody will believe it's existence.

@theabbie oh, Russel's undetectable space teapot 😄

@Xoka
> Unlike you guys, I don't believe my ancestors were once Dogs and poops

What kind of nonsense is this?
Mate, so believing billions of people came from Adam and Eve, not to mention the snake and the apple in the story. Come on!

And no, I wasn't offended at all.

Nice try putting words in my mouth tho.
Still haven't seen any evidence from you btw (typical from a lot of Christians who think everyone is naive and will believe someone saw some extraordinary thing without baking up their claims)!
If you can't give any, then it's fine; admit it and maybe try putting yourself in other people's shoes.

I've had this religious debate many times and at least others did a better job at arguing that God/The Spaghetti Monster/Allah/... exist than any of the believers here.

Now, if you don't want to prove it then fair enough, calling BS when You're not providing evidence on this supernatural entity thing isn't going to help (especially to someone who had a a mostly Christian upgringing).

@Xoka And like @iiii pointed out, you seem oddly absolutist, like anything in Psychology and Justice, not everything is a dichotomy.

There may be some form of energy that some call God, one that lives in people's brain or (sub)consciousness, however, the bible and co put it as a real entity (like the Rake if you will, or some dude who sits in the sky and does nothing but watching and judging people all day).

And it appears to me that this may be the first time you're challenged on the topic (I could be wrong) and haven't actually questioned what people taught you.

And I'll make myself *crystal clear*:
- if you believe in God (assuming you don't shove it down people's throats and act in a toxic way to those who see the world differently) then I'm fine with it. Relatives and friends of mine are religious (although none are fundamentalists) and I have civil, thought-provoking and interesting debates on anything with them.
- if YOU did something, regardless of your political/religious views, then YOU deserve to take credit for it even if other people help and you're like Keanu Reves, in which case, praise those other people (as any humble people should). The same applies to when someone did something good/helpful/beneficial, they deserve to be credited PERIOD.
- If you saw something and no one else did, be prepared in having that being challenged (something that shouldn't be a surprise if you ever reported something tο the police, pest control, judges, ...) and asked for evidence.
- putting yourself in other people' shoes goes a long way.

@Berkmann18 Its not that I don't want to prove it. But I also want the answers to my questions in a simple manner. Not some gibberish answers that even the person who answered have hard time explaining.

& Yes, I'm still telling this: I can prove God's existence. If you want me to prove and have a normal discussion, I'm open to it.

& I'll be very glad to read your opinions too. Like, why you think that way and stuffs, so that whether my proof makes sense to you or not, at least we can have a common ground & respect each others' decisions.

& if you want me to start proving God's existence, I'll start again with my questions:

* Is robbing good or bad?

* Is raping a girl good or bad?

& please don't say, its relative and other bullshits. simply write your opinion. Thanks.

@Berkmann18 or anyone who wants to have a general discussion and a common ground.

@Xoka
> I can prove God's existence.

I'm all ears, go for it :).

> Is robbing good or bad?

In general, it's Bad, although it would be justified if it's used to describe the action of someone taking *back* something from someone (e.g. Janette taking her phone from that fud who fobbed it off of her in the tube).
Now, without context (something incredibly important in linguistics and law) the answer could differ (especially when some words have different meaning depending on the context/language).
If you defined "stealing back" as not being the same as "robbing" then it would be bad. I won't get into what the government can do if you don't pay debts where some governments can get people to take things you own etc.

> Is raping a girl good or bad?

Yup.

I fail to see how either of those 2 questions relate to God's existence.
I like that it's not the same old recycled "but morality" questions most religious people throw at agnostics and atheists when being challenged

@Berkmann18 also you forget the part "good or bad for whom?". both situations are transactions between at least two parties.

@iiii Good point, I was speaking from an objective/moral/legal lens.

So both would be good for the perpetrator of those bad actions (until they show remorse and a sign of consciousness).

@Berkmann18 well, yes, from a legal standpoint both are objectively bad almost without any context (as far as i am aware). the context might make something "a little less" bad, but still bad.

@iiii I'm surprised to see you answer robbing and raping as BAD now, not sure why you couldn't answer like this a few minutes/hours ago. anyways...

@Berkmann18 Easy boy, not so hurry.

Okay, so I thank you from my heart for answering the questions simply and normally. Now, just keep on answering my questions one by one according to your opinion, and see how I prove you God's existence. Just have some patience please...

Okay, so you've answered my questions. According to you, Robbing and Raping is Bad.

Now, lets assume that I am a BIG mafia, hypothetically. But I'm also a very scientific and logical person. Let's say, you are a very close friend of mine. Now, prove to me, scientifically and logically, why Robbing is bad for me so that I stop robbing.

Give me one logical/scientific reason, why I should stop robbing.

@Xoka because you did not give any context, as i've told you before. Those two questions are totally different:

1. Is stealing bad?

2. Is stealing bad, from a legal standpoint?

While the second question has a definite answer, the first one does not. I've told you that right away but you did not listen, as it seems.

@Xoka no. That would be incorrect. And that's why people are fighting so much: they assume something unstated and then fight over that.

You've never stated anything about "imagine your own context", so i was answering exactly what was asked, and i would have been expected the same from someone i am talking to: to answer exactly the question asked, without hidden assumptions.

And i've given you my exact answer: that i don't see anything stated as inherently bad. You've just dismissed my answer for some reason.

@iiii You make the context using whatever imagination you can use and just tell me according to you, what you think. Forget my context, make the context yourself. I never said, the context has to be 100% accurate and if the context is wrong, you're gonna have to pay a million dollar fine. did I? I asked for your opinion. How hard it is to say, "Robbing is bad", "Raping is bad" according to me, & that's it. I never said, I'm gonna judge you for your answer. I wanted to have a common ground.

anyways, now you don't have to answer anymore actually. @Berkmann18 is answering. If you are interested in how I prove God's existence, you may just observe our questions & answers. You're welcome...

BTW, I never said, your answer has to be 100% correct. its you who imagined all the bullshits in your mind and now blaming me for your own incompetence.

@Xoka now go up and read your answers to me and contemplate...

@iiii I already told you, I don't need your answers anymore. You've spewed enough nonsense/bullshits that I don't even want to read anything that has anything to do with you.

As @Berkmann18 has answered his opinion without spewing nonsense/bullshits like you, I'm just gonna stick with him for now, & see if we can have a common ground, with all due respect. You may just observe our questions/answers if you are interested. Otherwise, you might just take a nap and ignore this post. Thanks

@Xoka, I'll point to the relevant article of the law and remind them it's unethical and that it has various consequences (a bit less if said person was in the dark triad, but if so, chances that friendship would have ceased to exist) and try to understand their motive and reasoning behind such a plan.

@Xoka well, that means I can be a goblin and just annoy you :3

@Berkmann18 Okay, good answer but I already said, I'm a BIG mafia. The Presidents and The Ministers are in my pocket. They are in my payroll. They can't do any damage to me, as I've got thousand body guards. Since the law makers are in my pocket, Law can't do any damage to me. as I'm the one who makes the laws.

Now, try to give me another reason, another logical & scientific reason, why I should stop robbing.

& Again, I wanna thank you for being respectful, unlike @iiii

@Xoka consider this. i am operating on a reversed Kantian maxim: you've been disrespectful to me first and now i don't feel any obligation of being respectful to you, because you have not earned the privilege of being respected.

@Xoka You should because you've got a consciousness and certainly rules you made or taught to you by your parents/teachers/mentors that dictate if the acceptability and possibly morality of certain actions.

@Berkmann18 again, thanks for the answer.

You see, if I rob someone, if I steal 1000$ from someone, I can watch movies, I can eat at a good restaurant, stay at a good hotel, etc. Those morals doesn't prove that robbing someone is bad for me. I'm still the one gaining after robbing. I'm asking you, prove to me logically & scientifically, why robbing is bad for me, Not for others. I'm least bothered about others. I'm least bothered about the morals that doesn't benefit me.

Now, one more try. Try giving me one reason, one logical and scientific reason, why robbing is bad for me and I'll stop robbing.

Is Robbing Bad?

Yes, it's always bad, it can be justified and made less immoral, but, that's still bad.

You can steal food to save your starving kid, no one will arrest you, it's bad but justifiable.

Is Raping Bad?

Yes, Always, It's meant to be bad, forcing anything Is bad.

@theabbie Finally! an answer worth reading. Thanks for the clear cut answer. I really appreciate it.

btw, do you also want to join @Berkmann18 to answer the Mafia question? I'd love to see someone logically and scientifically proving me ( the hypothetic mafia ), why robbing is bad for me so that I stop robbing. You're welcome.

@Xoka You should stop robbing because you don't know the person you're robbing from, what he's going through, what that money means to him.
From a scientific point of view, money circulates in economy in exchange for work, you work and you earn money, by robbing someone, you fucked the flow. You should not steal because you didn't earn it.
Since you're a Mafia, you must be immoral, so, person's feelings won't matter to you.
Ideal happiness is one where everyone gets happiness, by stealing, only you get happiness and someone gets misery.
There are only moral reasons to not steal, even if the person you stole from is crazy rich.
Scientifically, it's only a transaction without consent and in exchange for misery.

@theabbie thanks for the answer. But still, I haven't found any logical or scientific reason, why robbing is bad for me so that I stop robbing.

You're saying, if I rob someone, it'll bring me misery, but there are hundreds if not thousands mafia who have a very comfortable life and a very comfortable death. Misery never even touched them. And since I'm a BIG mafia, I can very well have a wonderful life by robbing and frightening people. Misery can never even touch me.

So, the point I'm trying to make is: You can never prove to me that robbing is bad for me ( the big mafia ), scientifically and logically, with all your science and logics.

First let's agree on this, then I'm coming to my next point.

@Xoka Yeah, Robbing is not bad for the Mafia, if he doesn't have morality.

Getting arrested might be bad, but other than that, yeah, it's not bad for him.

@theabbie perfect. So, you also agree that, science and logics have failed to prove robbing is bad for the mafia.

Now, pretty sure you all know Hitler. He killed 6 million Jews. He also burned millions of Jews alive.

Now let's say, the law catches Hitler and you happen to be the judge. What punishment can your law give to Hitler, which will compensate for killing and burning 6 million Jews alive?

@Xoka Death ofcourse, in the most painful way possible, for two reasons, revenge and also the get rid of a monster.

He is too dangerous to be kept alive.

@theabbie okay, but that will only compensate for killing 1 Jew. What about the justice for 5999999 Jews? What justice can your law bring for the rest of the Jews for killing and burning them alive?

@Xoka It's not a compensation, punishments are never for compensation, depending on severity, it's either to keep them away from society, provide rehabilitation or get rid of them.

Death is to get rid of that monster.

There is nothing called "Justice", once crime has been done, the only justice would be to revert it back, which is impossible.

Nothing we could do will provide justice to those who suffered.

@theabbie so the point I'm trying to make is: you can't give justice to all 6 million Jews killed by Hitler even if the law catches him. First let's agree on that.

& Pardon my English, as I'm not a native speaker. Not sure if "compensate" would be the right word or "giving justice" would be the right word.

@Xoka Yeah, there is no justice, we will kill Hitler to protect ourselves. Catching won't bring justice but will prevent him from causing further harm.

@devjesus your encounters are very easy explainable: chance. There are no causal links, just chance and you've remembered them just because they've affected you emotionally while you have neglected all other occurrences of bad luck which did not have any influential random events.

In my life I've had almost all good things come by chance and not by specific hard work.

@theabbie exactly! You can't prevail justice with all your science, technology and logics for the life on earth.

Now let's say you are Hitler, and I'm your close friend. I can tell you, "you want to burn 6 million Jews? God will burn you 12 million times in hell", but that logic you can't give to someone in this life.

So, logically speaking: there has to be a life after death. Otherwise, this life would be a life full of injustice. First let's agree on that.

@devjesus and you also could have attributed some miracle to my whole existence as I was born a "hangman": the umbilical cord was tangled around my neck

@Xoka Yup, We can say that, but justice is not a scientific term, it's just something we made up, so, injustice isn't scientifically wrong.

Overall, I agree, next point.

@theabbie okay, so logically I proved you, there has to be a life after death.

Now, if there's a life after death, who's gonna be the judge giving us the justice we deserve? Definitely someone who's super powerful and super-duper intelligent. Who is beyond time-space-matter. Someone who has the ultimate authority. That someone, we call him God/Allah/Rabb etc.

Now whether you believe in God after this discussion, that's up to you.

But Now, let's go with another logic. Let's prove God's existence in another way.

Let's say, I give you a book. A book with 600 pages. If I tell you, "the book came into existence automatically. The ink automatically wrote the letters and it got arranged into chapters automatically. Then book gave itself a name and started multiplying itself and getting sold", what would be your reaction? Would you believe that?

@devjesus I don't say that it can be defined in a such way. I'm saying that it is just that: a chance, a random encounter. There are so many people that almost any set of random events is probable to occur at least once with someone.

@devjesus and uncertainty is not a power of god. It is the sole nature of matter. Heard of uncertainty principle in physics? It is essentially that.

@Xoka The book must be made by a human, if that implies everything must have a creator, that's not necessary, we are just chemicals.

Things just went right and life was created, these things are governed my forces and laws of physics, which may or may not have a creator, but, there is no way that ultimate power will be a human-like being.

@devjesus i am grateful if someone does something important for me. i am not grateful to anything for the sole existence of matter in the universe and random encounters. there's no need to anthropomorphize everything. you've got lucky and that's it. whether you attribute that to some divine power or not will not ever change the outcome. the only thing you can really do is get on with your life and do something else.

@theabbie if you look at the cells in any living creature, you don't just see just the molecules, you see information. Like DNA holding information, your body holding information, the nature holding information like the golden ratio and so on.

You can't even think of a simple book being created by itself, but you're believing this whole universe and the lives and the billion cells that are holding the information got created automatically?

@theabbie You see, Albert Einstein said, "science without religion is lame and religion without science is blind"

This is not my opinion but one of the most influential scientists in the whole human history.
But still, if you wish to believe there's no God after all these proofs, I have nothing more to say.

And you see, some people say, "you worshippers are wasting your time praying. There's no life after death or God". Let's just agree for sake of argument that you're right. how many years does a person live? 100? 150? So, if God doesn't exist, may be our 150 years of prayers will be wasted. But if God is true, if there's a God, we're taking about the endless punishment which is beyond imagination.

@devjesus uncertainty principle is about basic particles: you cannot measure both velocity and position precisely. if you try to measure one, you will change the state of the particle and the other measurement will be off.

@Xoka depends on what you call "automatically", if at all there is something which created everything irrespective of how complex, it is, we will call it physics.

And it didn't happen in a split second, it took billions of years, starting from basic particles to complex organisms, it's controlled by physics.

It's fine if people worship physics, since that's the real god.

@theabbie I'm saying, in billions of years, with all the ingredients present, can a book create itself automatically and multiply?

Each lives on earth is like a book holding information. If a book can't create itself, how you can think this whole human race with information like DNA got created automatically?

@Xoka The book did create itself, even though we were involved, book won't recreate itself because it's not made of those special chemicals.

We haven't completely understood life, but, we are aware that it's a complex organization of chemicals.

Rebirth would simply mean those chemicals building another life, if having memory of previous life isn't a criteria, we are all rebirths.

We won't know if God existed, We won't know if it didn't, God might be one explanation to everything, but we will keep looking for better explanations.

@devjesus there was no mockery in the question, as far as i can see. It was just an honest question

@theabbie BTW, what I wanted to say and prove, I have done my part. Now it's upto you whether to believe in God or not.

And I appreciate your patience for reading all my answers.

Have a beautiful day :)

@Xoka Cool, those were good points, Though I would still stick with Physics for explaining everything, those will be useful.

@theabbie those aren't really good points. the point of "look how complex it is. it definitely has to have a creator" is a pure demagogy.

@iiii Even if it did have a creator, we will name that phenomenon something and study it rather than calling it god.

@theabbie actually the thing is: science doesn't have answer to everything yet. In this Corona situation, we see it everyday that science still hasn't advanced upto the level to prove/answer everything. But you and I would also not be able to live until science advances upto the highest level when science can prove God. So, I'll happily believe in God cause the proofs I have are more than sufficient for me to believe in God.

For people not believing in God, death is a scary phenomenon. But for the people believing in God, death is a beautiful way to meet our God. It's a way to be rewarded of the eternal peace.

@theabbie i mean, that the logic is just not there. it is basically like this:

people create complex things, therefore all complex things are created by someone.

and there is a basic logic fallacy

@devjesus all four are wrong.

atheist is one that either does not have any faith in deities or denies the existence of deities. and that has nothing to do with all the points you've stated, except the last one which is "they have no faith"

@devjesus i was not spilling anything until the other party just started insulting.

i was open to civil discussion but the other party was not open to that despite the claims.

@devjesus Yeah, this rant is just so full of wool pushing that it looks like a curse.

@Xoka I already answered _why you robbing would be bad for you_.

I won't repeat what I or @theabbie said on that.