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dooter9763yWhen it came time for a technical interview with the lead developer, I felt pretty confident. Except for JavaScript “engineering” and anything related to algorithms, my technical skills are sharp. We begin with a great talk about style guides, Sass, the designer/developer phenomenon, atomic design, content, all those awesome things that get me super stoked. Then came the coding portion. I was anticipating questions about nitty-gritty positioning, semantics, maybe some UI based JS stuff, and development workflow. The first question was:
Interviewer: Are you familiar with FizzBuzz?
Me: Um, to be honest, no.
Interviewer: Ok, well, you have to write a program where multiples of three print ‘Fizz’ instead of the number and for the multiples of five print ‘Buzz’. For numbers which are multiples of both three and five print ‘FizzBuzz’. So it would look like ‘1, 2, Fizz, 4, Buzz, Fizz, 7, 8, Fizz, Buzz, 11, Fizz, 13, 14, Fizz Buzz’ -
dooter9763yMe: (OMG MATH. I tried to talk through it a bit, but then said:)
Me: Ok, again to be honest, my JS knowledge is more regarding UI/UX based tasks. And I don’t really understand the point of the question. Like, what’s the use case? When would this come up in the role?
(Only after recounting this interaction to a friend did I realize you should not ask “why are you asking me this?” in a job interview.)
Interviewer: Well, it’s an exercise in programmatic thinking. No worries, let’s move on to the next question. Write a function that takes a timecode string and turns it into seconds. -
dooter9763yAgain I started talking through it, but it was impossible for me to figure it out with someone watching. I needed to do some serious Googling. He said I could email back my solutions. I toyed with the idea of calling up and saying, “forget it, this isn’t for me” but I decided to stick it out. After spending a few hours coming up with something that semi-worked, I found the solution on StackOverflow and, in my honesty, linked to it in the code.
Unsurprisingly, a few days after I sent my solutions I got a “you don’t have enough experience for the position, but we’d like to keep your resume on file”. In my impostor-prone state, I felt called out as a just-good-at-Googling-and-maybe-jQuery developer. I was embarrassed. -
dooter9763yAfter letting this self-doubt dissipate, a new emotion settled in: anger. FizzBuzz is a way to filter out fake programmers. I am fully aware that I am not a programmer, at least “programmer” in the sense of algorithms, data modeling, etc.
Who is writing these descriptions? I’m sure these companies find a perfect match now and again. But I have a feeling that’s not the norm. It’s more likely that many of these companies just don’t know what they need so they look for everything. A recruiter or HR person whips something up and puts it out there to see who bites. Maybe they’ll catch a unicorn!
What’s more, based on my (albeit minimal) job application experience, who knows what will happen in the interview? I imagine you’d talk to a real designer or developer with a much better idea of the situation, and who knows how well that matches the job description, let alone the interviewee’s skillset? -
I think they just don't want to hire anyone who lacks basic reasoning capabilities ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
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@dooter I don't really get why they ask interview questions targeted at programmers when they are looking for a "UX Engineer / Interaction Designer" which is barely about programming, as far as I know.
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vane112803yNo worries, they probably wanted someone with basic algorithms experience to be able to survive code reviews.
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dootlurk6313yRough. It's odd to rely on fizzbuzz when they could have asked you something business relevant - which is what I got in my first actual technical interview - and gives them a better idea of how you work within their existing team. Fingers crossed for you finding better interviewers!
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hjk10157313yGuess they want someone that can also put some actions behind a ui design. Fizz Buzz is super simple. If you can do that you can not only do some logic you can also judge the stuff you are about to copy paste from the internet.
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