Oh, nice. Now Windows 11 doesn't just fuck up AMD CPUs with lack of performance, but also SSDs. NTFS at its finest, but see the tags.

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    Friends don't let friends Windows 11.

    Go ahead and continue to use Windows 11. ;-)

    I honestly didn't expect this to be you. What sorcery has lead you to using that POS?
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    @Demolishun I don't use that POS myself - I'm already pissed off enough by Windows 10 at work. Then again, I'm paid per hour, not per output, so it's not really my problem. Obviously, my demands at home are higher. :-)
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    First time I've read something negative about ntfs. Well, anything about ntfs at all. I thought it was just a "upgrade" over FAT-32?

    My knowledge about it basically boils down to "4kb clusters" (I think that was the word).
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    @nitnip NTFS is by far not FAT - but it still sucks, among other reasons because they still havn't figured out how to keep it from fragmenting in the first place.

    That's not quite as bad with SSDs because there's no mechanical penalty, but it does have a file system overhead, which is why Win 10 still will somewhat "defragment" an SSD once per month in default settings.

    Obviously, that doesn't happen with ext4 because that doesn't first shit into its living room and then tries to get rid of the crap once per month. Instead, it just doesn't fragment, provided that you leave at least around 20% spare capacity.
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    @Fast-Nop I'll take your word for it. I wonder why they haven't "figured it out" so to speak. Considering unix is open source, they could get some pointers by reading about the difference between their file system and ext4.
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    @nitnip I'd guess they are tied to backwards compatibility and just don't really care - the latter one being in line with decreasing Windows quality in general.

    I mean, MS axed their QA in 2016 to cut down cost because they figured that they can make more profit from their cloud shit than from Windows. Plus that they realised that Windows users may complain, but most will stick to Windows anyway, so why care about complaints.
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    @Fast-Nop True enough. Why fix it when you can force users to upgrade into the how new os every couple of years?
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    How do you get windows 10 to do that, but not engage in defragging everything all the time ?
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    Windows is now just glorified android, too simple when you wanna do anything complex, and too complex it fucks up any simple thing you try to do
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    win10 is the last win.
    they said so, and i agree.
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    @Midnight-shcode i agree too, it's been downhill since windows 7
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    @Nanos You simply leave Win 10 at its default settings. That's it.
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    @Fast-Nop I've been fiddling with it a lot since then !

    It was on some kind of defrag nightmare always playing around with my drives when I didn't want it to.

    Prior to some previous windows update, I had everything working nice and sweet, no issues.

    What are the defaults ?
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    @Nanos The default is defragging once per month if you have an SSD (not HDD). That's totally reasonable because the objective is dealing with file system overhead, not mechanical access penalty.

    What you observe is probably something else if you have an SSD, like that Compatelrunner crap which also hogs the system, but doesn't defrag.
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    @Fast-Nop I turn off all the latter stuff as best I can. ( With very little upload bandwidth available to me, at the very least, I don't want that swamped by MS ! )
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    @Fast-Nop Looking at my loggy bits, it says "x days since last retrim", is that the same as defrag nowadays ?

    Interestingly, for some SSD's I have fitted ( Not OS ones.. ) it says "Optimization not available" which is puzzling. ( Though those drives never suffer from 100% utilisation like the OS drive does ! )

    I notice looking at my settings, they have changed to weekly now, instead of off/monthly..

    Changed them all the monthly, see if that helps.

    Then I might only be annoyed for a period once a month. :-)
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    @Nanos Trim is something completely different. Defrag deals with filesystem level issues. Trim basically tells the SSD which blocks the filesystem doesn't need anymore, i.e. which contain overwriteable garbage.

    If the SSD knows which blocks contain actually garbage, it can delete these blocks and make them available. What you have to know is that you can only write zeros to flash, not ones. So the SSD takes these blocks, erases them to all ones, which is somewhat slow, so that when you actually need them, they are ready to be written with data, specifically the zeros in the data. It also helps the SSD to judge which blocks are available for wear levelling.
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    @Fast-Nop Now I'm at a loss on how to defrag my SSD's :-(

    I can't seem to find that option..
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    @Nanos You don't. Windows does that for you, and you don't do that manually because it also causes considerable write load which in turn causes SSD wear. That's why Windows does it very sparingly, and that's why it's a good thing that you don't find it.

    Since you don't have mechanical access penalty with fragmentation on an SSD, it's just the file system overhead so that only minimal defragmentation is necessary to keep NTFS working.
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    @Fast-Nop How do I know if its defragging the SSD like it should if there isn't an option to set it ?
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    @Nanos I'd look into the event viewer to see whether there's some drive defragmentation or optimisation entry.
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    I think windows could just be installed on ext4 or btrfs
    They could just add ext4.sys and btrfs.sys, and maybe modify the bootloader so that you can boot off of it.
    Though the problem is that it is good enough, so they don't care.
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    Yeah Def staying with win10, I really wanted to go full Linux but games :( ah well
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