When you enjoy writing and owning all the CSS, but your colleague always recommends bootstrap. Is it just me that thinks bootstrap is used as a cop-out sometimes?

depends on the project. sometimes it can be incredibly helpful, and sometimes it's a pain in the ass, and not worth your time :D

I see bootstrap like any other library... I'm not going to rewrite .Net components, but if I need something that they don't do well, I'll roll my own. Same goes for bootstrap.

i consider bootstrap a wireframing tool

Bootstrap is great for structure, it's pretty much responsive out of the box.

To me Bootstrap is great, I can drop it in and have a decent looking and responsive UI with minimal effort. But most of my work is for internal use so its mostly about what the application is doing rather than how it looks, Bootstrap just ensures it doesn't look terrible.

I agree 100% with you OP. I feel like I'm sinning every time I use Bootstrap, but it DOES save a ton of time when starting.

I enjoy backed dev so much more than front-end. Bootstrap saves time on styling forms, responsive design and cross browser compatibility, that I'll never write css from scratch again. Especially since I don't have a front end dev to do it. I can still modify the shit out of css, just don't require so much time.

you may have a look at http://www.basscss.com does everything bootstrap does but it doesent look like a framework.

Bootstrap is so heavy.. If you have the resources to do it yourself for YOUR project you'll have a much better outcome.

I'm not much into web dev but whenever I need to do some HTML CSS work I prefer using bootstrap saves me a shit ton of time and Googling SO

@bauermetal I agree, and I like being hands on with all the components from birth to deploy.

@abhyudayasrinet @developerTom More power to you guys, but I, personally, like saving time and just using the stuff out of the box so I can focus on making other things work rather than fighting with making the site responsive.

If you build it right to begin with there is no "making it responsive".

@lreading totally agree with you

@abhyudayasrinet I meant to tag @bauermetal lol.

I can make it right from the beginning by spending 2 minutes adding the bootstrap library. why would I spend my time rewriting a lot of that core functionality? Plus, when another dev touches it, it'll be familiar.

@lreading that's what I'm saying. I'm not writing any extra code to make my work responsive because I code it responsive to begin with, there's not separate code...

@lreading totally not arguing against people using Bootstrap and not arguing that it saves people time if their project will benefit from it. But thats just not always true. And some of us that have been writing CSS for like 10 years get very controlling over our code 😬😬😬

@lreading ++ on the multi-dev functionality