Explain to me why people love Apple so much.

What is a simple task in every other OS ever is a multi step dance on a Mac (or iphones too for that matter). It is a productivity nightmare that makes the whole system feel like it is only meant to be used to watch youtube.

The way the keyboard works feels like it was designed by aliens.

Browsing the system with Finder is an absolute pretzel nightmare. No moving files. Copy, paste, then delete is as good as you're going to get. No way to type the path to go straight to it. You will do things the slowest way possible and be happy while doing it.

Want to quickly create a blank file in the current folder? Oh what's that? You thought the right click menu was going to help you like every other OS? Apple laughs in your face for such arrogance.

apple is very good at doing little things, very fast
in dev terms, they're like gRPC, cant do a lot but the little it does. It does well and fast

hence I prefer apple phone but windows/linux laptop :3

Apple will "invent" right click options for making files soon. Never been done before on any platform until Apple does this. Marketing up the wazoo, for stuff every other platform has been doing for decades, when Apple finally does it.

The number 1 arguments I get from my friends who use Apple :

It just works, Never crashes and never hangs. And it's designed (visually) very well.

Which is actually tru.

MacOS is the most stable OS existing to date. (Don';t even start withj linux lol).

@NoToJavaScript well yeah, if you only build for your own hardware I'd call that bare fucking minimum, not a success. Linux is stable on System76 and Windows is stable on Microsoft's garbage netbooks too.

@NoToJavaScript Windows has been uber stable since 7. The trick is to give it the resources it needs. I've had a far better experience than even Linux in this regard.

The reputation it has for instability is from people buying laptops from Walmart that have the bare minimum to get it to boot, that have bloatware and antivirus that consumes every drop of RAM and processor cycles left.

If you gave a Mac 1/16th of the RAM it needs to function, it would have the same reputation.

If it weren't for the insane levels of "telemetry" included in modern Windows, I wouldn't think twice about finding an alternative. But the alternatives are Mac made by aliens and Linux that works well if you don't work with other people in an office environment. Which means I am stuck with Windows.

@cuddlyogre I agree with you. Windows is a “vroad spectre” OS.

It depends heavy on your hardware.

For example, when I was on Intell + nVidia, I may be, may be has 1 crash a year

Since 2021 I’m on AMD + Radeon.

I have at least 2 blue screens per month. (BTW, Never again I’m buying AMD).

But I have 9 years old surface RT (yeah Arm 32 windows), which you can boot any time and shit never crashes.

@lorentz Well, we as « tech » people don’t have the same notiuon of “stable”.

Let’s take linux.

I’m taling the only distro I’m using day to day, may be it’s different for others.

Ubuntu server :

When ionstalling it creates a very small /boot partion

So when new imaghes are generated it takes place and eventually you run outr of space and youi can’t even update your system anymore.

How do you want a regular, non techy, personne even know what /boot is ? What image is ? And how to clean up ?

That’s for me a major point which make Linux (At least Ubuntu) not suitable for day to day usage by a normal person.

@NoToJavaScript Pop! OS comes preinstalled on System76 laptops and it's a really stable system.

Also I've never had your problem with Ubuntu desktop although I didn't use it a lot, but I suspect that Ubuntu Server uses minimal space for /boot because a server OS can't assume a large boot disk.

I definitely think that it'd be wiser to measure the disk, but to maintain some degree of determinism distro maintainers generally prefer constant config values over contextually determined ones.

@cuddlyogre huh, interesting. If what is a simple task in ”every other OS ever” is a multi step dance in MacOS, then maybe you’re just trying to use it as if it were, say, Windows?

I use Mac for work, since we are provided that, and funny enough, those of us that have had both Macs and Windows machines provided agree that working on Macs boosts productivity. I think most of us would prefer Linux any day, but that’s another story. Either way, at least I prefer to use the command line, and that’s smooth sailing. I’ve been using Macs for work for the last five years, and I’ve got zero complaints. So idk. Give me a free choice, I go for Linux. Give me a choice between Mac and Windows, I go for Mac 99.9% of the time.

I would go as far as to turn your statement around: what is a simple task in ”every *nix OS ever (yes, MacOS included)” is a multi step dance in Windows, in my experience.

finder is terrible in its current state ill give you that. but build quality and the keyboard on my MBP is excellent.

and creating files?? you use GUI? fucking gross.
touch fileName.fileType and done

but i also prefer to work from the Command Line 90% of the time. really i only use MySQL workbench GUI for editing. and even thats a pain in the ass but giant databases gonna do giant database things.

all in all. is a unix based system thats closed source. and it does just work.

with that being said dealing with correctly flagging installs and rosetta because of the new apple silicone has been annoying.

and support. theirs actual support. when my OpenSuse crashed a few weeks ago. it was hell. if i get mad enough at my macbook. i take it to the apple store or chat them or call them.

@100110111 1UP. My PC is for gaming. My Mac is for Work

I don't recall the last time I used my mouse and the file explorer to create anything. Even on windows, I will have a cmd prompt open and do everything from there.

So to be honest, and even after having currently 2 macbooks at home, I don't recall doing this too often but remember that I would only click shift command n or something like that and the prompt would come up.

My main drivers at home are Linux and Apple computers, nothing against windows, I will use it for work and gaming. But I don't really see the issue with usability on Apple computers. Same for the phones, they do everything I want, with no issues really, can't recall the time an app crashed on my phone. And I don't care about customizing the rom or whatever shit people do on Android phones, I just want to be able to take pictures, make calls, browse the web and see tiddys. It does that just fine.

@cuddlyogre The actual trick how Microsoft got it's cloud application client launcher stable was: Force the new Windows Display Driver Model on shitty GPU makers and just restart the driver when it hangs. A lot of the bluescreens wheren't actually Windows' fault.

Stick to what you like. Macs are stable, fast, intuitive and logical. Much of what you claim is untrue, of course you can do all those things, I expect you have never used one and your objection is more to do with the price. I like to pay more for a precision built device whose OS is second to none.

@helloworld I'm using a Mac Mini provided to me by my job, actually.

My objections come from having Windows and Linux dev environments that behave almost identically. But the Mac is so much harder to use because the OS is designed to gatekeep anyone that does not think exactly how Apple deems they should.

I also have an iPhone out of necessity and it is also aggravating to use. Trying to type even the most basic sentence takes multiple attempts to coerce the iOS keyboard to use the word I want to use.

But, if all I wanted to do is watch youtube and play with apps, I'd have no trouble at all.

@cuddlyogre So now you are talking about dev environments now that your OS level jibes have been kiboshed. You just haven’t put in any effort to working in a slightly different way, because why should you. iPhone is certainly easier and mire logical to use than android, but then again I used android only briefly and scrapped it because it was counterintuitive to the ways I was accustomed. If I had started on Android and switched to iPhone I am sure I would have said iPhone was bad. I admit that I don’t want to re-learn something cos it feels just wrong or alien to me but it doesn’t make it bad just different. If you invested some time into Mac I am sure you would conclude differently.

@helloworld nah. I used Android for most of the smartphone era and switched to iPhone a few years back out of curiosity if phones could suck at least a bit less. Yes they can.

I’m not an Apple fanboy by any stretch of the imagination, and there’s loads about Apple as a company I don’t like, at all, but damn life’s much easier using their products. It’s the same with AWS. I may not be a fan of Amazon as a company, but I prefer a CSP making my life as a security engineer (and cloud engineer and sysadmin before that) easier, not harder.

@NoToJavaScript omg, surface RT is one of the worst devices I've bought. But the screen is still OK for today's standards

@retoor It is bad !! I agree 100%.

But on stability, it was exellent even with windows 8 RT !

@NoToJavaScript stability yes.. But slow

@retoor So fucking slowewwwww...

But try feed it a 720p MKV file, it will be perfect. You can watch 720p videos for 7 hours lol.

But anything else, not so much

@retoor Slow? the m2 Macs are mega fast. When did you last work on a Mac or are you just joining the Apple hate fest with unfounded and inaccurate comments?

@helloworld I was talking about surface RT

@retoor Apologies, I lost the thread 😁